Who is “Buck”?
Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year
Meh.
I did not character assassinate him.
Sounds like Ty was told what his role would be and didn’t want that. He’s good enough to sit a year and develop and then go get a fit he wants. Nothing wrong with that. I advocated for playing him more at the end of games last year.
I expected to come away from last nights game saying that I felt Ty would be better than White and Booth. And that he shouldn’t lose minutes to them. But it’s clear we are going to need someone who can shoot it with the offense we will run.
I’m probably done responding to you. I’m sorry you are this upset about it
Man, I don't mean this disrespectfully, but you're coming in with some of the softest takes I've ever seen on this board. You give a guy minutes because of loyalty? All of these guys getting D1 offers know that this is a competition and you have to earn the opportunity. Nothing is given to you and Brad has shown that with many players that have made demands. The reality is that as much I love Ty and the positive things he brings to the team, he's a massive offensive liability and other guys are just better than him right now. Based on what BU said, he understands that to get to where he wants to go, he has to be able to shoot the ball; right now, he can't do that at this level. And Underwood's job is to win games...not make people happy. I think he has seen the last couple of years, that yes, chemistry matters, but at the end of the day, talent wins championships. UConn showed that in a major way. Are there outliers? Sure. But at the end of the day, the teams with the most talented players who buy into a system will usually come out on top.
Anybody else wondering why Mean Streets players can't shoot FTs?
Bigtex
- DFW
Not sure odd man out - but Ty was looking at significantly reduction in Playing time.
Creaning as a concept is dead in an era where both sides are being paid to produce the best basketball, and transferring is universally easy.
Creaning existed where the coach / school had the vast majority of power, while the student athlete had restricted mobility and penalties for leaving.
Today the players have equal (or more, in this contract-less and CBA-less world) power to move and do so with regularity. Ty lost his job to a better 'employee', simple as that. He gets an NIL golden parachute and most likely goes elsewhere next year.
It stings, and I don't love the parachute either (this concept of getting paid to not work), but here we are. He was not Creaned.
sacraig
- The desert
I'd take that deal. Sounds like living the dream!
Why should Coach even allow Ty to practice with the team to get him better or prepare his play for next season when he transfers to another team that may be a competitor or rival?
I agree - that is clear early on and it’s difficult for any player to go from starter on an elite 8 team to a bench player on what is likely a less good team.
My worry is that Tre White is the one getting his role/minutes right now and I have seen absolutely nothing from Tre White that would suggest we are a better team with him than Ty. Maybe he’s slightly better offensively but no where near defensively and does not bring the rebounding and passing that Ty brings and those are the areas this team sorely lacks right now
It’s a very surprising decision that I hope does not come back to bite us. If TW struggles, we’re going to wish we had Ty
I believe that we have seen the last of Ty in an Ill uniform. He'll be gone at semester. What I don't understand is why the red-shirt? What does that gain? Unless the coach told him he wasn't going to get any rotation time and would only play walk-on minutes. I believe he'll be at Loyola, DePaul, or a Michigan (non-Big Ten) school in January.
We WILL miss his toughness, but who do you take out so you can play him? I love Ty, but he doesn't fit. Even Johnson can shoot, plus he has 3+ inches and 35 pounds on him , as a FRESHMAN.
Good luck, man....
We WILL miss his toughness, but who do you take out so you can play him? I love Ty, but he doesn't fit. Even Johnson can shoot, plus he has 3+ inches and 35 pounds on him , as a FRESHMAN.
Good luck, man....
Those who witness practice daily talk about how great White is. He has averaged over 10 points a game at USC and at Louisville the past two seasons and is taller and more athletic than Ty. There are no comparisons.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
i was attacked for dare suggesting that Ty would not be starting this year in a thread following the UCONN loss. I hate to see Ty go, because like I said I love his defense and toughness. Dude can’t shoot though.
I’d say I, along with a few others, were correct on this one .Receipts available if needed.
I’d say I, along with a few others, were correct on this one .Receipts available if needed.
You're already assuming the Illini will be a tournament team when that's not a given. You don't have to be a homer. You can be a realist too and take off the orange colored sunglasses once in a while
Whose responsibility is it to help him improve in those specific skills that he needs assistance with? I am pretty sure he is putting the work in. Maybe our coaching staff isn't doing enough for him b/c they're more focused on the NBA talent? It would be nice if our fanbase didn't automatically turn their back on of our loyal guys and actually look at both sides of this situation
You’re right….I absolutely hate it, but you’re right
Many freshman are not ready for the physical aspect that comes with playing more experienced and veteran squads. Go re-watch the Ole Miss exhibition game if you need a realistic view of how far this young squad is from getting on that level. Don't allow a game against an inferior opponent to lose sight on the reality that this is a young team who will go through a lot of growing pains...a lot of growing pains
ginabackes00
CrazedUIFan
Because Ty can offer leadership and be a good practice player. It's a win win if Ty wants to continue to improve.
Ty still only played 22 mins a game as a starter last year. There were plenty of big games that he didn't see the floor the last ten minutes when the matchup necessitated having 5 scoring options on the floor. I absolutely love the kid's heart, rebounding, defensive effort, but you have to be blind to think he wasn't a liability on the offensive end of the floor. And like I assume Lvill was alluding to, you don't have Coleman at the 5 to keep the floor somewhat spread.
It's upsetting for the kid. I won't lose sleep over it. But, put yourself in the player's shoes for a moment rather than looking at just one side of it.
Rodgers brings the intangibles that teams with chemistry have. It's actually not all about shooting and offense. UCONN had both chemistry and offensive skilled players. They were also one of the best defensive teams in the country so your comparison to UCONN is a poor one. Sigh....
band camp
- STL City
Please teach us more about the future Mr. Nostradamus. You're speculating at best. I feel like most of us don't love losing Ty, but most do understand why.
For the win!
I disagree that Ty lost to a better employee. A guy who played on a 4 win Louisville team and a subpar USC team is not a better employee...stats are deceiving. A guy who jumped from Division 2 or 3 to Evansville to IL is not automatically a better player than Ty Rodgers. I saw that Ole Miss game. Neither Hummer nor Tre White were better than what Ty Rodgers gives you against an actual legitimate school, not a cupcake school.
Ty Rodgers is a winner and helps winning teams. Tre White(no offense to the kid) has not been a winner in college and has not impacted winning at the college level. I trust Ty Rodgers more than Hummer and Tre White...nobody can refute that