Uh-huh. I think you're forgetting that Kofi was in the transfer portal "to keep his options open" before coming back that junior year. If you don't think money was part of that conversation, I don't know what world you've been living in the past 4 years.
Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year
Big Jack
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Not turning a back on Ty, Sincere or any former Illini outside of Skyy and Epps... Those 2 can rote in he!!. I loved Ty but the writing was on the wall last year for anyone to see. We had to always play 4 on 5 when he was on the court.. One only needs to go back and watch our games vs. Purdue the past 2 seasons to see what the down side to Ty was.. I was really hopeful that his ability to shoot as much as a pull up jumper from the line would keep teams honest. Yes the coaches work on technique and skills but obviously Ty just is missing the ability to shoot those shots in practice or live. Trust me Brad loves Ty.
I don't like it. That's why I've been passionately defending the perspective of Ty Rodgers. I think we all like Ty Rodgers the person and the player but sometimes we forget that it's not all about the money. Sometimes, as an "employee" at any company, it is about how you're treated and how you are managed by your supervisor/boss/manager. I think in this case, Ty probably feels slighted and probably feels that he was not treated the right way given his loyalties to coach and the program. I think this is all very valid and probably true to some extent
Ty Rodgers has better efficiency ratings on both sides of the ball than Tre White. The point was made by another poster a few pages ago. So, I'd contend that having him in a more prominent role would not lessen the efficiency of the team as a whole. If you contend otherwise, then back it up with stats to prove Tre White is a more efficient "overall" player than Ty Rodgers
Big Jack
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One final question for you then I am done trying to make sense of this to you because you just don't get it...
Tre White and Ben did not get Ty's position given to them upon arrival.. They earned and won the starting spots PERIOD END OF STORY. By performing better in all of the practive sessions they had during the summer and early fall.. That is the reason Ty's lost his job.. Ask anyone who is or was privileged to see these workouts and scrimmages and will become apparent why this happened.
I hear you and agree - but the question is if Tre isn't on the team would Ty have accepted his ~18- 20min off the bench role, vs. what he's looking at now?
Who knows, but Will is going to start any day now , so then Tre will be coming off the bench, DGL has likely earned the guard minutes spelling both KJ and KB, so Ty would be 8/9th man in the rotation. I'm sure he's looking at it as a business decision to see what shakes out next year and not burn a year playing 5-10 min a game, I don't blame him. I just worry if Ben and Tre don't pan out as expected, if we're going to be wanting Ty to be playing 25 min a game given what this team needs.
Best case scenario is Ben and Tre do pan out and Ty stays next year and has an improved game with a significant leadership role as a redshirt Junior and has a lot more impact next year for us than he would have this year.
Practice is mularkey to me. I'm pretty sure guys like Kipper Nichols also flashed in practice but in the games, it was a different story. I'm focusing on a larger sample size of in game action over a period of 2 yrs, not practice.
That Ole Miss game was a better indicator of where Hummer and Tre White stood than practicing against each other. Only time will tell if Hummer and Tre are better options. I'm not convinced at this time on November 5th.
I believe the inclusion of Will Riley was likely a turning point for Rodgers' role but you have to get a Will Riley. I believe coach just got too many guys who can play the same position that Ty can play and he appears to be the odd man out but not convinced that Tre White is a better option than Ty Rodgers. When you got too many people who want to shoot and too many chefs in the kitchen, that's when you run into trouble. We don't need 5 shooters on the floor. We need guys who know their role and play it effectively. See last year's team
After chewing on it for a day, I'm totally okay with this. Which is not to say Ty couldn't have proven valuable minutes on court this year, just that Brad has clearly concluded Offense wins Championships, and wants five shooters on the floor at all times for one simple reason; he can.
Ty can still exemplify the Illini spirit by working his !!! off making other players better in practice. If his NIL agreements allow appearances during Redshirt seasons, his sponsors can still invite him to paid events, etc.
Mike LaTulip spoke extensively about the fact that Ty's main value last year was in how his play allowed floor spacing by the other four, that opposing teams could rarely cover. But now we've got guys who can make those spacing issues but also shoot. So it's a no-brainer for Ty to take the year hoping to develop an outside shot (because we've got a great development program), and grab some NIL next year while trying to audition for the pros. Makes sense.
Best of luck to Ty, and I hope he works his !!! off in practice!
Ty can still exemplify the Illini spirit by working his !!! off making other players better in practice. If his NIL agreements allow appearances during Redshirt seasons, his sponsors can still invite him to paid events, etc.
Mike LaTulip spoke extensively about the fact that Ty's main value last year was in how his play allowed floor spacing by the other four, that opposing teams could rarely cover. But now we've got guys who can make those spacing issues but also shoot. So it's a no-brainer for Ty to take the year hoping to develop an outside shot (because we've got a great development program), and grab some NIL next year while trying to audition for the pros. Makes sense.
Best of luck to Ty, and I hope he works his !!! off in practice!
Big Jack
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Close situation however DMFW could shoot so teams had to be prepared for it. With Ty they just let him go because ala Chet years back he was not going to shoot
Damonte really only started shooting threes his last year if I remember correctly. Defenders gave him plenty of space because he was so hesitant to shoot but he stepped up and shot a very high percentage his last year.
I would think if Ty was also able to do this, he would likely be starting this year.
I would think if Ty was also able to do this, he would likely be starting this year.
Ty did nothing on the floor of the Ole Miss game that showed he should've been out there over Tre or Ben either one. However DGL showed he should get more tick and should get heavy minutes in the rotation.
Bigtex
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That is an apples to oranges comparison For Ty it is not just a TY vs Tre for playing time. Throw in some Riley, Booth and maybe some Humrichous = very few Ty minutes in 2024/2025
I love bringing numbers into these discussions so my counter would be sometimes numbers mislead.
Looking at the above, it appears Ty is more efficient offensively because he's passing to scorers and he's attempting to score 33% less than Tre. However (and stick with me, because it gets nuanced here), Ty's FG% looks better on the surface because he's not shooting any 3's. If you compare just 2P%, it's very close. Tre's FT% also blows Ty's out of the water, and FT% is often used to indicate how much a player's shot can improve.
So when it comes specifically to scoring, I'd rather take Tre, despite him appearing worse in terms of efficiency. It's clear he's a far greater offensive threat. My guess is Ty's inability to shoot leads to his inflated assist total, while Tre, who can shoot, has less assists and hopefully improves his 3-pt shooting a tad.
When it comes to defensive rating, people generally agree that it's hard to quantify between players on different teams because it relies heavily on the team, so their ratings are close enough it's not a concern for me. To me it appeared Rodgers often cleaned up on defense because he knew he's an offensive liability so had to make up for it or else he'd hit the bench.
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Bigtex
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Damonte killed it from 3 his junior year (like 55% and too lazy to look it up) and reverted to his normal his senior year. It might not have been his junior and senior years but the last 2 years he played for Illinois.
I think it’s a good look for recruits. It’s purely meritocracy based. Buckets get you minutes full stop nothing else
I think this really amounts to a change in philosophy for BU that may be a response to the way the game, recruiting, and NIL has evolved. 5 years ago, he was looking to get a team of hard nosed guys who always brought it on defense. He was able to hide an occasional defensive liability like Plummer who added a lot on offense.
Now he finds that he can't field a competitive team based on 9 tough defender so he's fielding a competitive team based on 9 offensive players. He can hide a plus defender who is limited on offense, but that player is going to see his minutes limited and some games be very down.
Bottom line. Ty was recruited into one system that has now been abandoned.
Now he finds that he can't field a competitive team based on 9 tough defender so he's fielding a competitive team based on 9 offensive players. He can hide a plus defender who is limited on offense, but that player is going to see his minutes limited and some games be very down.
Bottom line. Ty was recruited into one system that has now been abandoned.
Totally love what Ty brought to the team and hoped he'd have an important role this season. I just don't see how this kind of competitive roster construction can be avoided at the high major level though. Do people think Duke or KU or other upper tier teams don't bring in depth and wind up with guys sitting on the bench? It seems to me that one of the nice things about NIL is you can get beat out and still make hay. And some guys will be willing to wait or play the eight/nine/tenth man to see if their minutes are needed for whatever reason.
It sucks for sure, but wish him the best wherever he goes, and thankful for what he brought.
It sucks for sure, but wish him the best wherever he goes, and thankful for what he brought.
I agree with both statements. I believe Ty's issue was a matter of not knowing his role and being lost out there b/c roles did not appear to be very clear in that exhibition game. I am a full proponent of DGL starting over Hum if his defense is going to be better than Hum's defense. A 3 guard lineup would be plenty fine with me.
Yea, this is a good way of putting it. The recruiting pitch for Ty was one thing and that has now changed. That's why I hate it for Ty. He's not a bad basketball player and he certainly could have done a lot for this team. It's too bad that his role was to be diminished to the point where he felt this was his best move to make
The team needs to practice against better defensive players. Ty is one of the better defensive players. I think once of the best things for improving Riley's, KJ's, and Boswell's game would have been for Sincere to be in practice with them.
I would hope that by redshirting Ty realizes his key way to contribute to the team has shifted significantly. The team now needs him to focus on defense and being the best practice player he can, not on improving his own game. I have absolutely no expectations that any player with hopes of a future BB career would do that these days.