Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year

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AndyKaufmanstutor
IndyILL said:
I am getting the same vibe as when BU switched from his high-pressure, gambling defense to a solid, less turnover-centric defense... and it worked.
Hopefully, BU's focus on long athletic scorers who can play "good enough" defense will bear similar fruit! I'll miss Ty just like I miss Buck, but perhaps we can no longer afford the luxury of having great defenders who are non-factors on offense.
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Who is “Buck”?
 
#252      
WyattEarp
AndyKaufmanstutor said:
Who is “Buck”?
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#253      
Keisersose
illini510 said:
He was a role player last year. That statement is false. It sounds like you don't actually know what's going on. Ty has always been willing to play a role. Don't character assassinate the young man. He was one of the more unselfish players on last year's team playing out of position and doing the dirty work. On a team that is young and not "tough," we sure could use someone of Ty's caliber to rebound, do the little things, and be the unselfish player that we know who he is. But, because newcomers like Tre White and Ben Hummer are automatically put above Ty in the pecking order without earning their stripes and their way, who can blame Ty for being frustrated? Will Riley and Kasparas may end up being special players, but Ty earned his way into a better draw than getting passed by the likes of Hummer and Tre White
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Meh.

I did not character assassinate him.

Sounds like Ty was told what his role would be and didn’t want that. He’s good enough to sit a year and develop and then go get a fit he wants. Nothing wrong with that. I advocated for playing him more at the end of games last year.

I expected to come away from last nights game saying that I felt Ty would be better than White and Booth. And that he shouldn’t lose minutes to them. But it’s clear we are going to need someone who can shoot it with the offense we will run.

I’m probably done responding to you. I’m sorry you are this upset about it
 
#254      
CoachHooleyHoo
illini510 said:
Big time Underwood fan but this is wrong on so many levels. You don't reward loyalty(Ty Rodgers staying) by giving him a potentially diminishing role. That's not right and Underwood will either sink or swim with this type of mentality. I hope for his sake, he swims but I can see a scenario like 2 yrs ago but even worse b/c there is absolutely no returning chemistry with this team unlike that team in 2022-2023. I feel more bad for Ty Rodgers than I do for us as fans b/c that dude has most likely worked his butt off b/c he's just that kind of guy and this is what he gets in return? Newcomers jumping him in the pecking order? It's complete BS. It's not really similar to Sencire b/c Sencire was behind senior laden squad of players. This is actually completely different. This sends a bad message to players who stay in the program for 2+ yrs and that message is that they're expendable regardless of the contributions they've made to the program and Ty has made major contributions. He is not a bit player like Sencire. He was on a trajectory to be a 10 ppg, 6 rbg, 3-4 apg, 1 steal per game type of contributor. Draymond Green light if you will. Now, we may never see that truly come to fruition
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Man, I don't mean this disrespectfully, but you're coming in with some of the softest takes I've ever seen on this board. You give a guy minutes because of loyalty? All of these guys getting D1 offers know that this is a competition and you have to earn the opportunity. Nothing is given to you and Brad has shown that with many players that have made demands. The reality is that as much I love Ty and the positive things he brings to the team, he's a massive offensive liability and other guys are just better than him right now. Based on what BU said, he understands that to get to where he wants to go, he has to be able to shoot the ball; right now, he can't do that at this level. And Underwood's job is to win games...not make people happy. I think he has seen the last couple of years, that yes, chemistry matters, but at the end of the day, talent wins championships. UConn showed that in a major way. Are there outliers? Sure. But at the end of the day, the teams with the most talented players who buy into a system will usually come out on top.
 
#257      
Battle89
illini510 said:
Absolutely 100%. Rodgers got Creaned. He got the Crean treatment. Or should I say the BU treatment now. This definitely feels grimey and icky
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Creaning as a concept is dead in an era where both sides are being paid to produce the best basketball, and transferring is universally easy.

Creaning existed where the coach / school had the vast majority of power, while the student athlete had restricted mobility and penalties for leaving.

Today the players have equal (or more, in this contract-less and CBA-less world) power to move and do so with regularity. Ty lost his job to a better 'employee', simple as that. He gets an NIL golden parachute and most likely goes elsewhere next year.

It stings, and I don't love the parachute either (this concept of getting paid to not work), but here we are. He was not Creaned.
 
#258      
sacraig
Battle89 said:
Creaning as a concept is dead in an era where both sides are being paid to produce the best basketball, and transferring is universally easy.

Creaning existed where the coach / school had the vast majority of power, while the student athlete had restricted mobility and penalties for leaving.

Today the players have equal (or more, in this contract-less and CBA-less world) power to move and do so with regularity. Ty lost his job to a better 'employee', simple as that. He gets an NIL golden parachute and most likely goes elsewhere next year.

It stings, and I don't love the parachute either (this concept of getting paid to not work), but here we are. He was not Creaned.
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I'd take that deal. Sounds like living the dream!
 
#259      
Illini4Christ
Why should Coach even allow Ty to practice with the team to get him better or prepare his play for next season when he transfers to another team that may be a competitor or rival?
 
#260      
HensonHall71
Bigtex said:
Not sure odd man out - but Ty was looking at significantly reduction in Playing time.
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I agree - that is clear early on and it’s difficult for any player to go from starter on an elite 8 team to a bench player on what is likely a less good team.

My worry is that Tre White is the one getting his role/minutes right now and I have seen absolutely nothing from Tre White that would suggest we are a better team with him than Ty. Maybe he’s slightly better offensively but no where near defensively and does not bring the rebounding and passing that Ty brings and those are the areas this team sorely lacks right now

It’s a very surprising decision that I hope does not come back to bite us. If TW struggles, we’re going to wish we had Ty
 
#261      
Illinirog70
I believe that we have seen the last of Ty in an Ill uniform. He'll be gone at semester. What I don't understand is why the red-shirt? What does that gain? Unless the coach told him he wasn't going to get any rotation time and would only play walk-on minutes. I believe he'll be at Loyola, DePaul, or a Michigan (non-Big Ten) school in January.
We WILL miss his toughness, but who do you take out so you can play him? I love Ty, but he doesn't fit. Even Johnson can shoot, plus he has 3+ inches and 35 pounds on him , as a FRESHMAN.

Good luck, man....
 
#262      
Illini4Christ
HensonHall71 said:
I agree - that is clear early on and it’s difficult for any player to go from starter on an elite 8 team to a bench player on what is likely a less good team.

My worry is that Tre White is the one getting his role/minutes right now and I have seen absolutely nothing from Tre White that would suggest we are a better team with him than Ty. Maybe he’s slightly better offensively but no where near defensively and does not bring the rebounding and passing that Ty brings and those are the areas this team sorely lacks right now

It’s a very surprising decision that I hope does not come back to bite us. If TW struggles, we’re going to wish we had Ty
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Those who witness practice daily talk about how great White is. He has averaged over 10 points a game at USC and at Louisville the past two seasons and is taller and more athletic than Ty. There are no comparisons.
 
#263      
pruman91
Keisersose said:
Meh.

I did not character assassinate him.

Sounds like Ty was told what his role would be and didn’t want that. He’s good enough to sit a year and develop and then go get a fit he wants. Nothing wrong with that. I advocated for playing him more at the end of games last year.

I expected to come away from last nights game saying that I felt Ty would be better than White and Booth. And that he shouldn’t lose minutes to them. But it’s clear we are going to need someone who can shoot it with the offense we will run.

I’m probably done responding to you. I’m sorry you are this upset about it
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#264      
BigMuddyMonster
i was attacked for dare suggesting that Ty would not be starting this year in a thread following the UCONN loss. I hate to see Ty go, because like I said I love his defense and toughness. Dude can’t shoot though.

I’d say I, along with a few others, were correct on this one .Receipts available if needed.
 
#265      
illini510
IlliniShelt said:
Do you know what is a good look for recruits? Getting KJ and Riley drafted in the first round next year and winning a lot of games in the process.
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You're already assuming the Illini will be a tournament team when that's not a given. You don't have to be a homer. You can be a realist too and take off the orange colored sunglasses once in a while
 
#266      
illini510
Big Jack said:
Ty was in no way creaned into 10-15 minutes per game. He was asked to improve certain skills and get better, which did not happen. Because we brought in more talented players he realized his role on this team done and he choose to sit it out. Why? because he will get paid whether he plays or sits. This is the new West, standard whether you like it or not. This is the exact reason why Bennett retired..

Until the NCAA and schools work all of this out, this will be the new standard. Win at all costs! Loyalty and Everyday guys is a thing of the past except it and move on.
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Whose responsibility is it to help him improve in those specific skills that he needs assistance with? I am pretty sure he is putting the work in. Maybe our coaching staff isn't doing enough for him b/c they're more focused on the NBA talent? It would be nice if our fanbase didn't automatically turn their back on of our loyal guys and actually look at both sides of this situation
 
#267      
doowink
Illini IndyCar Fan said:
The problem for Ty is that Brad can't really play him and Rez at the same time, or else the offense starts to gum up like a Mike Woodson coached team. And with this year's roster, it's more advantageous to have Rez's big man skillset eating up some of those available non-scorer minutes than Ty's game. He'll spend the year working on his skillset, enter the portal, get paid, and be a starter at some other P4 school.
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You’re right….I absolutely hate it, but you’re right
 
#268      
illini510
EyeoftheIllini said:
What top schools/coaches are giving 20- 25 minutes to a player who the coach doesn’t feel has earned them just because he was on the team the year before? Brad isn’t running Ty off. There was a role on the team for him. It just wasn’t the role Ty wanted. I don’t blame Ty nor Brad.

You know what is really a bad look to recruits. A coach who won’t play the best players and forces freshmen to sit whether they’re better than another player or not. The majority of recruits just want a chance to compete on a level playing field for minutes. And that percentage goes way up when you’re talking about the skill level of the players Illinois now recruits. Tilting the playing field in the direction of a player who was there first for that reason alone is bad for wins, bad for team morale and bad for recruiting.
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Many freshman are not ready for the physical aspect that comes with playing more experienced and veteran squads. Go re-watch the Ole Miss exhibition game if you need a realistic view of how far this young squad is from getting on that level. Don't allow a game against an inferior opponent to lose sight on the reality that this is a young team who will go through a lot of growing pains...a lot of growing pains
 
#270      
IlliniFanTX
ChiefGritty said:
We were a top 10 team last season doing exactly that, but sure.
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Ty still only played 22 mins a game as a starter last year. There were plenty of big games that he didn't see the floor the last ten minutes when the matchup necessitated having 5 scoring options on the floor. I absolutely love the kid's heart, rebounding, defensive effort, but you have to be blind to think he wasn't a liability on the offensive end of the floor. And like I assume Lvill was alluding to, you don't have Coleman at the 5 to keep the floor somewhat spread.
 
#271      
illini510
Keisersose said:
Meh.

I did not character assassinate him.

Sounds like Ty was told what his role would be and didn’t want that. He’s good enough to sit a year and develop and then go get a fit he wants. Nothing wrong with that. I advocated for playing him more at the end of games last year.

I expected to come away from last nights game saying that I felt Ty would be better than White and Booth. And that he shouldn’t lose minutes to them. But it’s clear we are going to need someone who can shoot it with the offense we will run.

I’m probably done responding to you. I’m sorry you are this upset about it
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It's upsetting for the kid. I won't lose sleep over it. But, put yourself in the player's shoes for a moment rather than looking at just one side of it.
 
#272      
band camp
illini510 said:
This is a bad look for recruits. You fail to see that side of it. There will be backlash in terms of recruits questioning BU's committment that he makes to prospects to then just go back and over-recruit. Some schools are not playing that game and something tells me that it will backfire unless BU maintains a high level program
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Please teach us more about the future Mr. Nostradamus. You're speculating at best. I feel like most of us don't love losing Ty, but most do understand why.
 
#274      
illini510
Battle89 said:
Creaning as a concept is dead in an era where both sides are being paid to produce the best basketball, and transferring is universally easy.

Creaning existed where the coach / school had the vast majority of power, while the student athlete had restricted mobility and penalties for leaving.

Today the players have equal (or more, in this contract-less and CBA-less world) power to move and do so with regularity. Ty lost his job to a better 'employee', simple as that. He gets an NIL golden parachute and most likely goes elsewhere next year.

It stings, and I don't love the parachute either (this concept of getting paid to not work), but here we are. He was not Creaned.
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I disagree that Ty lost to a better employee. A guy who played on a 4 win Louisville team and a subpar USC team is not a better employee...stats are deceiving. A guy who jumped from Division 2 or 3 to Evansville to IL is not automatically a better player than Ty Rodgers. I saw that Ole Miss game. Neither Hummer nor Tre White were better than what Ty Rodgers gives you against an actual legitimate school, not a cupcake school.

Ty Rodgers is a winner and helps winning teams. Tre White(no offense to the kid) has not been a winner in college and has not impacted winning at the college level. I trust Ty Rodgers more than Hummer and Tre White...nobody can refute that
 
#275      
TheodoreRex
BretMyBeachHouse said:
Actually, he didn't exactly. The portal closed in April. KJ and Riley came on board after that.

And yes, he knew that the possibility of bringing more talent in was there. BU knew that bringing in new talent might cause this very situation.

He played a significant role on a high level team last year.
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So you're good with a dude redshirting because he doesn't want to compete for playing time, collects a fat check, and then transfers out in the offseason?
 
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