So you're good with a dude redshirting because he doesn't want to compete for playing time, collects a fat check, and then transfers out in the offseason?
Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year
I don't really see much of the fanbase "turning their back" on him. Most of comments here are understanding of his decision and most people wish him well. Of course many are upset because Ty is a guy who would have helped this team, even at 10-15 minutes a game. But I really don't think that amounts to people turning their back on him. And honestly, even if he did, he's not our player anymore. I'll continue to root for him, but can hardly blame others who don't.
The difference is you seem to want to blame BU and the coaching staff and there really is no basis for that. BU was going to give Ty the minutes he earned (and probably even more than that because he trusts the guy). If Ty didn't think he'd earn enough minutes to make it worth burning a year of eligibility, that's his decision.
This is where I have a slight problem with how this was handled as well, and like I mentioned earlier in this thread I just got done playing college baseball… I understand how Wild West college sports are right now.
I know people have raved about Tre White, and how he has practiced, and maybe he will end up being way better than Ty… but to me what is the longterm difference between them. You are telling me Ty couldn’t play the 20-24 mins per game that Tre White could play? Whats the difference maybe a win or two?
I hope Tre White has a great year, but I just think that was the one unnecessary move of the offseason and that at the end of the day they aren’t that different of players outside of Tre being able to shoot a little better.
Ty Rodgers cannot shoot at all. He isn't a threat to shoot, let alone make one.
This thread makes it very apparent to me who understands high level basketball and who doesn't.
I don't know what business you are in, but the only person that determines who is a better employee is the employer.
A bunch of people at my firm get Creaned (by your definition) every year. They were perceived to be underperforming, and a replacement was brought in. Is the employer always right? Of course not. But in this case Ty's lack of shooting is too big a liability.
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- Sugar Grove
Obviously an extra year of eligibility to cash in nil. He gets to take advantage of Illinois facilities to improve his game, and maximize nil opportunities elsewhere in future. Simple as that.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Underwood is navigating this NIL world like the rest of the coaches, and appears to be succeeding. We now have better players and Ty did not like his role, that is not Underwoods problem.
Thank you for being the voice of reason. This has been my point since last night. Tre White has not proven to impact winning or be a winner at the college level. I don't know the kid so I can't speak about his practice habits or if he works harder than Ty Rodgers but the proof is in the pudding as far as what player has impacted winning and what player has not impacted winning on two teams now.
Tre White is not an overall better player than Ty Rodgers. I'm glad there are some sensible fans who see that Ty has basically been railroaded by a player who has not impacted winning. That's why I continue to bring up a lack of loyalty that BU has shown to a program guy, a leader, and one of the keepers of the program as Brad has mentioned multiple times.
He succeeded for 1 year under this new NIL deal. 2022-2023 was a disaster for all intensive purposes even if they made the tournament. They were a soap opera the entire season. It's a small sample size. A lot of people assume the Illini will be back at the top but none of us are nostradamus. Let the season play out
I respectfully disagree - Ty is 6'6 210, Tre is 6'7 205 - very similar size, Ty is a quicker leaper and is stronger. Ty averaged more rebounds and assists per posesion last year than Tre, Ty had a higher shooting % than Tre Ty was a much better defender than Tre and had much better offensive and defensive efficiency numbers than Tre - Tre obviously brings more points to the table , but it comes with lower efficiency. Here are there per 100 possession stats last year:
| Season | School | MP | FG | FGA | FG% | 2P | 2PA | 2P% | 3P | 3PA | 3P% | FT | FTA | FT% | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PF | PTS | ORtg | DRtg | |
| 2023-24 | Louisville | 907 | 8.1 | 17.7 | 0.456 | 6.6 | 12.9 | 0.515 | 1.4 | 4.8 | 0.299 | 4.8 | 6.3 | 0.752 | 10.6 | 2.4 | 1.5 | 0.8 | 3.3 | 4.1 | 22.4 | 105.8 | 112.9 | |
| 2023-24 | Illinois | 863 | 6.5 | 12.3 | 0.527 | 6.5 | 12.3 | 0.527 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | 4.3 | 0.585 | 13.3 | 5 | 1.1 | 1 | 3.2 | 4.4 | 15.5 | 116.4 | 106.4 |
Which player would you rather have on this years team? I don't think it's that close that Ty brings more of what this team needs - maybe Tre improved a lot and it sounds like he's done well in practice, but we've all seen the preseason practice hype not materialize when the games start and I hope we're not making a mistake here prioritizing Tre over Ty this year.
NIL started in 2021. 2021-2022 was a pretty good year (we won the conference), especially considering we had just lost Ayo. Big part of that was BU successfully using NIL to bring Kofi back.
Boom...enjoy you bringing the stats to back up what the true Ty Rodgers supporters already know. Ty Rodgers impacts winning and is a more efficient player on both sides of the basketball even though White played more mins per game. Ty Rodgers isn't some bit role player. He's a huge part of a winning team needs. He does all the little things that go unnoticed. The fact that some choose to ignore that goes to show how underappreciated and undervalued his game is. All I've heard is he doesn't score, he can't shoot. There's more to basketball than offense and shooting
Stop making sense.
I am pretty surprised at the general overall negative sentiment about Ty's redshirting. I don't mean that we aren't upset and sad that he is doing this but rather the various assumptions as to what it means and how it will impact Illinois basketball. At least, that was the impression I got from reading through the first 5 or 6 pages. Although maybe all the negative posts were by one poster. I wasn't really paying attention to who exactly was posting what. And it seemed that more reasonable posts started showing up. I am by no means an optimist, but I am pretty ok with this decision. I thought in the Ole Miss game that 14 minutes for Ty was actually higher than I expected, but then it was an exhibition game. And that his minutes would be fewer when the regular season started (which was confirmed by 0440 saying he was going to be a 10 to 12 minute guy). This is also why I disagree with Gritty's assertion that he would be a core rotation piece, at least as I understand what that means. 10 to 12 minutes is not core rotation minutes.
And I think the comparisons to Sincere are somewhat specious. Would Sincere have left if Frazier was still a coach with Illinois? Maybe, maybe not. The same thing could be true for Ty. I don't think there was any hint that he might be upset that Anderson left. So, maybe he will leave, and maybe not. In his presser, BU said about Ty that he is an Illini. Now, I am not saying he will stay, and he will probably transfer, but I think he will take a look at next year's roster and then decide. I think he wants to stay. After all, many believe KJ, Riley, and maybe TI won't be here (and BH runs out of eligibility) next year, so who knows? But I also realize it is complicated. There are timing issues for transferring, and as has been mentioned, Riley did not commit to the Illini until June, so Ty may have to make decisions based on factors that he doesn't know about. Or he could pull a "LaTulip" and transfer but always consider himself an Illini and come back to help in other ways.
And why wouldn't BU take him to media days? That was, what, at least a month or longer ago? I think it was a reward for his loyalty to Illinois and a statement that he is still a valued Illinois player.
And some of the comments about Ty and NIL money seem pretty cynical. I don't think Ty is someone who is just sitting around chortling about how much money he is making by sitting on the bench and being a body in practice. I just don't think he is that kind of guy. I believe he wants to improve and will help some of the new players get better by being a good practice guy. And hopefully, he will keep working to develop his shooting.
Maybe I am naive in spinning this in a somewhat positive light; that Ty uses the year to improve (which I believe was a common sentiment to last year's Sincere announcement to redshirt) and that he might come back depending on how things look but some of the takes here seem a little too cynical.
Kofi came back b/c of the feedback he got in the NBA combine. He wasn't going to be drafted and had to continue to refine certain skillsets that NBA scouts were looking for from the big man position. It wasn't enough to get him drafted when he finally declared either. He didn't come back for the money. His goal was to make it to the pros and he chose not to stay his senior year even though he could've gotten a big bag of money from anyone around the country
The only PT decision that matters is BU and Ty. If Ty wasn't satisfied with what he saw ahead of him this yr then the decision is his and his alone to make. How it turns out will also be on him. He is a gritty competitor that will give you every thing he has. He has significant limitations in his game and if he was 6-10/270 it might not mean much but he's not. A perimeter player that simply cannot shoot a basketball is going to struggle to get PT at any P5 program that has any level of Dance goals. Best of luck to him in the future, but I hope this puts an end to handing out rides to these type of players IMO.
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- STL City
Yeah but did you play college baseball?
Well, the receipts are easily found.
Yes you said.
You got quite a bit of support.
A couple (maybe three) people praised Ty and felt you were exaggerating how much of a liability he was.
No one "attacked" you.
Sorry, the glory of your martyrdom just doesn't really hold up under minimal inspection.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
C'mon man...you should listen(read) more instead of talk(post) more.
You and one or two other posters are "the voice of reason"? Ok.
Literally no one here likes this. Almost everyone here understands it.
This was Ty's decision. The people close to the program here have literally said it.
You aren't in practice, you have no clue what the coaches are saying, doing, or suggesting.
You are just throwing sh#t at a wall in your house trying to make it stick. It's not "Creaning".
The portal changes all of that crap, whether anyone likes it or not, and that includes players, coaches, admin's, donors, and fans.
BU is recruiting to win Championships. Period. Full stop.
He's not recruiting to fit your interpretation of "program guy" or past expectation of commitment.
You don't like it, we get it. Just come in and say that.
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- Northwest Suburbs
1. Brad ain’t a dbag like that and will help Ty as much as possible throughout the process
2. Ty will be a phenomenal practice player
I think we have more talent at Tys positions now than we did last season. Trey White is very similar to Ty but a better shooter and in the same class along with the new additions I think it makes sense for Ty. BU is now looking to bring in offensive fire power and toughness and I think he has. Ty is not a shooter, he also struggles to finish at the rim at a high level so with with longer more skilled additions at the 2 thru 4 Ty has slide down the depth chart. I know last year we were an elite 8 team but we are even deeper and more skilled now. Ty is in practice and sees the writing on the wall. I expected his minutes to decrease this season with how teams started not defending towards the end of last year. He has to be able to shoot to some degree or play less. He is going to work on it but I have my doubts he will ever have an effective jump shot.
Can we start calling the surprise before the first game redshirt an Underwooding?
You’ve just changed the whole subject. What does that have to do with what is a bad look to recruits?
If you look at two of my posts just this morning, you’ll see I haven’t let the EIU game make me lose sight of anything. I said I’m not getting too excited about individual performances like Riley’s. I also said I think this team will be fun and frustrating, and lose some games the fans think we shouldn’t going into them. But, again, that has nothing to do with BU not wanting to play Ty 20-25 minutes just because he was here last year versus the 10-12 minutes Brad feels fit for this team. Brad didn’t tell Ty to leave. He just told him the role he saw Ty having with this squad. That didn’t fit with what Ty wanted, so he is redshirting. I don’t harbor negative feelings for Ty because of his decision. I’d be happy to still have him because we know there will be times we could use his skills. But Ty shouldn’t get more minutes than are warranted on this squad just to keep him happy if that lessens the overall efficiency of the team and wins. Brad obviously feels it does just that.
Yeah, you’re right but I have a bad taste with Harris and Amani doing what they did on their transfer.
I do feel that this scenario of having lame duck players in practice will take coaching and more importantly NIL money away from our loyal players. Coach will help Ty out, as he should, I agree.
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