Terrence Shannon Jr. Found Not Guilty

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mrh vet said:
Illinois uses a state attorney system. In Kansas she is an elected county official and county employee. Not much different than the Nifong/Durham County situation. Not saying it is a slam dunk but how hard they fought to keep the Morris evidence out tells me they knew about it, they discussed it and made a conscious decision not to reveal it. I put nothing past them
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Based on personal experience in a murder case I had I don't put much past them either. I know if one instance where an Assistant States Attirney was instructed not to turn over what she believed to be Brady material, disregarded those orders, and was suspended without pay. In my murfer case it was the lead detective. My client insisted he was in California reporting to his probation officer and couldn't have been here at the time of the offense. Following up I spoke with the PO and he confirmed this and wanted to know why I was calling since he'd already provided that info to the detective, who made no mention of this in any of his reports.
 
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aaeismacgychel said:
I think one of the reasons TSJ's lawyer went so bombastic in his mic drop after mic drop of closing statements was that very purpose. Declare loudly on the public stage that TSJ is innocent, that there was absolutely no evidence against him, that the police department and State's case is a disgrace, that the case had no merit whatsoever, that no investigation was done, that the alleged victim had a story that could not be corroborated and that her and her friend aren't the most credible or reliable witnesses, and finished with basically saying, 'We all know TSJ is not guilty of all charges, let's fill out the paperwork and all get the eff home from this monumental waste of time and blundering incompetence'.

And I think based on the reaction of the public it worked. You look at most of the public reaction and they're seeing TSJ as innocent and viewing him as the victim in all of this. I don't think he needs to go after the victim. Now if his legal team thinks that there is a decent possibility of a case against the DA/State/Lawrence PD with a large monetary payout, that is something I'd at least explore and pursue if you think you've got a really strong chance of winning.

But the overall takeaway is that TSJ won his innocence today, not in that he was declared not guilty, but in how he was declared not guilty.
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Is there a way to read the closing statements?
 
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RabidDawgClassic said:
Let’s not forget that the accuser could still file a civil lawsuit, where preponderance of the evidence is all that’s needed. Now, that would be foolish, given the lack of evidence presented at the trial, and even the lower bar would be hard to get over, but if TSJ were to file a defamation suit, that could lead to a counter suit from her. He should leave well enough alone at this point, as should she. Both should just move forward.
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I don't think this vidence even meets the preponderance standard, which translated equals more probably true than not true.
 
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This is a masterclass in quiet confidence, legal competence and winning with class.

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As some others have posted, this is a day of mixed-emotions. I'm glad our justice system has a threshold of "beyond reasonable doubt", and based on everything that was made public and reported, I'm obviously very glad the jury saw the reasonable doubt that we all saw and found TSJ not guilty.

But there is no justice here for whoever is guilty, nor as much clarity as the innocent deserve, and that's very sad.

If the woman was assaulted and generally said what she believed to be true, she gets nothing but ridicule for being misunderstood, and her assaulter is not held accountable and could have even more audacity to assault someone else. If she was not assaulted and/or knowingly made grossly false statements, she will likely not be punished for that unless more evidence comes out (some of the things reported were a bad look, but were far from proof that she knowingly made false accusations). If Shannon is innocent (while he was found not guilty, I don't think the evidence of his innocence reached 100%), he will never get to re-do the last 7+ months of his life, and who knows how this could hang over him in the future (sponsors, future girlfriend's parents, etc).

As for counter-suing, my first thought was that's a waste of time, money, energy, etc, and that he shouldn't draw more attention to this. But if anything comes up that would prove an intentionally false accusation, getting something on record (not for the money) would be very valuable to clear up anything that could hang over him in the future.
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He was always 100 percent innocent until proven guilty. And he still is. The fact you don't think his innocence reached "100 percent", unfortunately is not a surprise considering your obvious bias towards his guilt in the past few months, even though you wanted to be what you considered neutral.
 
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IlliniFan42 said:

"Don't think they weren't in close touch with the authorities" - U of I was kept in the dark

"You don't have to build it (the policy to deal with players accused of crimes) that way" - Keep in mind, that after this began, federal law was changed to support the Lawless decision: https://frontofficesports.com/title-ix-college-no-suspensions/

"What can the university do in the interim to make sure the university is as safe a place as it can be?" - Well unless they expel him, suspending him from team activity isn't keeping him off university grounds.

"We're gonna take this to trial is an implied threat. The idea of saying that sends a message to the alleged victim." - Wants Shannon to just roll over, can't make the alleged victim suffer having to defend her accusation.
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The guy has no morals or ethics. He even admitted recently that he was groomed by "Car Wash" Fitzie to look the other way. He's just projecting his guilt onto others. https://barrettsportsmedia.com/2015/06/18/the-score-suspends-bernstein and here https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog...erest-in-her-but-enjoy-her-giant-boobs-whoops
 
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I'm not a big fan of the Illini Guys pod, but they got Mitch the lawyer on. Pretty good stuff.

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Terrence Shannon Jr. NOT GUILTY with Mitch Gilfillan (Lawyer Covered Case on X) #369

Listen to this episode from I on the Illini on Spotify. Terrence Shannon Jr. is NOT GUILTY! Mike talks to attorney Mitch Gilfillan who has kept Illini fans (and legal minds) up to speed with the proceedings in Lawrence, KS. They talk: TSJ on the stand Tim Anderson's weighty testimony Judge...
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1970 John

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RabidDawgClassic said:
Let’s not forget that the accuser could still file a civil lawsuit, where preponderance of the evidence is all that’s needed. Now, that would be foolish, given the lack of evidence presented at the trial, and even the lower bar would be hard to get over, but if TSJ were to file a defamation suit, that could lead to a counter suit from her. He should leave well enough alone at this point, as should she. Both should just move forward.
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She could but that would require her to hire lawyers. In the criminal case, “the state” brings the charges and pays for the investigation and the prosecution. If she loses, she loses all of her investment in the case.

Actually, being able to bring a civil case after a criminal trial acquittal can be a perverse form of double jeopardy…
 
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OrangeBlue98

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As some others have posted, this is a day of mixed-emotions. I'm glad our justice system has a threshold of "beyond reasonable doubt", and based on everything that was made public and reported, I'm obviously very glad the jury saw the reasonable doubt that we all saw and found TSJ not guilty.

But there is no justice here for whoever is guilty, nor as much clarity as the innocent deserve, and that's very sad.

If the woman was assaulted and generally said what she believed to be true, she gets nothing but ridicule for being misunderstood, and her assaulter is not held accountable and could have even more audacity to assault someone else. If she was not assaulted and/or knowingly made grossly false statements, she will likely not be punished for that unless more evidence comes out (some of the things reported were a bad look, but were far from proof that she knowingly made false accusations). If Shannon is innocent (while he was found not guilty, I don't think the evidence of his innocence reached 100%), he will never get to re-do the last 7+ months of his life, and who knows how this could hang over him in the future (sponsors, future girlfriend's parents, etc).

As for counter-suing, my first thought was that's a waste of time, money, energy, etc, and that he shouldn't draw more attention to this. But if anything comes up that would prove an intentionally false accusation, getting something on record (not for the money) would be very valuable to clear up anything that could hang over him in the future.
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TSJ is 100% innocent. It’s honestly not even debatable. The one sober eyewitness said under oath that TSJ never left his sight and didn’t do anything close to what he was accused of doing. No DNA evidence. The accuser could never keep a story straight.

This was well past “not guilty”. As I’ve said before, honestly this case practically proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he is absolutely innocent. I’m glad that we never had to deal with this alternate reality, but if the burden of proof was on the defense to prove innocence I believe they did just that.
 
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DewLou

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Best of wishes to Terrence. One of the greatest Illini to take the court in Champaign.
 
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OrangeBlue98

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Sal Iacuzzo said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1801596518165885214

I love Lebron now
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Gotta admit that I don't always agree with LeBron. I think he tends to control and manipulate things too much on the teams on which he plays.

That being said, he absolutely did not have to do this for a college basketball player and I respect him a lot for it. Right or wrong, we know public perception is a big part of the process for rehabbing one's reputation. For someone with LeBron's influence to come out and use his platform in this way says a lot.
 
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#1 I still don't like Lebron but that is good to see and I support that message.
#2 I don't think a lawsuit against her would be worthwhile but what about suing the DA/county? I am not a person who believes you should sue on every little thing, but maybe recoup his attorney fees and a little extra for pain and suffering?
 
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Chad Fleck said:
I'm not a big fan of the Illini Guys pod, but they got Mitch the lawyer on. Pretty good stuff.

open.spotify.com

Terrence Shannon Jr. NOT GUILTY with Mitch Gilfillan (Lawyer Covered Case on X) #369

Listen to this episode from I on the Illini on Spotify. Terrence Shannon Jr. is NOT GUILTY! Mike talks to attorney Mitch Gilfillan who has kept Illini fans (and legal minds) up to speed with the proceedings in Lawrence, KS. They talk: TSJ on the stand Tim Anderson's weighty testimony Judge...
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He really shared a lot of great details. Worth a listen. Thanks Mitch!
 
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OrangeBlue98

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Chad Fleck said:
I'm not a big fan of the Illini Guys pod, but they got Mitch the lawyer on. Pretty good stuff.

open.spotify.com

Terrence Shannon Jr. NOT GUILTY with Mitch Gilfillan (Lawyer Covered Case on X) #369

Listen to this episode from I on the Illini on Spotify. Terrence Shannon Jr. is NOT GUILTY! Mike talks to attorney Mitch Gilfillan who has kept Illini fans (and legal minds) up to speed with the proceedings in Lawrence, KS. They talk: TSJ on the stand Tim Anderson's weighty testimony Judge...
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I'd highly recommend taking 40 minutes of your time to listen to this. Mitch Gilfillan did an outstanding job of breaking down the aspects of this case. He has a great way of breaking things down for people who aren't an expert in his field to understand these topics. I also thought Mike Cagley asked a lot of good, open-ended questions to allow Mitch to explain things well. Overall, this was an excellent interview on a difficult (both technically and emotionally) and complex topic. Well done to both.

I know it's probably not the best use of his email account, but I did send him a short email thanking him for the work he did. At the very least, he needs to hear from people who appreciated the work he did (and obviously was foregoing billable time to do this).
 
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