Terrence Shannon Jr. Found Not Guilty

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BirdDog9048
OrangeBlue98 said:
It took a little bit of effort, but I was able to find a general editor email at The Athletic.

editor@theathletic.com (common sense, but it took some time to confirm it)

I provided the same link to Mitch Gilfillan's web page and his Twitter handle. One of their college basketball writers needs to do an in-depth investigation of this whole situation. Given they didn't have the courage to keep comments open on their generic "not guilty" article, they need to provide the full story to let the general public know what a joke this was.

Maybe if enough people email the editor, one of their college basketball writers not working beyond the Tony Bennett contract extension article can stay busy during the summer months.
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It is standard practice at The Athletic to disable comments for all articles involving sexual crimes and has been for years (ie. predates the NYT purchase). I think for most people, it is pretty obvious to understand why they do this.
 
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OrangeBlue98
BirdDog9048 said:
It is standard practice at The Athletic to disable comments for all articles involving sexual crimes and has been for years (ie. predates the NYT purchase). I think for most people, it is pretty obvious to understand why they do this.
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They never disabled comments on Illinois articles during the NCAA tournament, allowing the normal defamatory comments from the TwitterX mob. The Athletic knew this would happen. The only article they disabled was an article more focused on TSJ himself.

Hypocritical.
 
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BirdDog9048
OrangeBlue98 said:
They never disabled comments on any TSJ article during the NCAA tournament, allowing the normal defamatory comments from the TwitterX mob.
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You mean like this article that was previously mentioned where the comments are disabled? https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5353807/2024/03/21/terrence-shannon-jr-charges-ncaa-tournament/

They aren't going to disable comments on all articles pertaining to Illini basketball, so obviously, there will still be people in those comment sections spouting nonsense.
 
#454      
OrangeBlue98
Obviously saw that article and edited my post. But I've seen the site close down comments on other articles with just a tangential reference to sexual crimes. For example, a lot of Manchester United articles had comments closed down because of the Mason Greenwood sexual crime allegations, even if the article only mentioned Greenwood.

I'm not sure if the European/UK editors just have a lower tolerance for nonsense comments than their American counterparts, but the difference between what articles have comments closed down is markedly different between the continents.
 
#455      
NarrowJ
LadyLoyalty said:
Sad Shame GIF

Verbose nonsense attempting to justify your bias and bad takes. You should be embarrassed by your past posts that we all can see. You’re not fooling anyone. Buh-bye
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Indeed. Easily can be added to the large amount of folks who owe TJ a very very loud and sincere apology.
 
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saleen970
OrangeBlue98 said:
I'd highly recommend taking 40 minutes of your time to listen to this. Mitch Gilfillan did an outstanding job of breaking down the aspects of this case. He has a great way of breaking things down for people who aren't an expert in his field to understand these topics. I also thought Mike Cagley asked a lot of good, open-ended questions to allow Mitch to explain things well. Overall, this was an excellent interview on a difficult (both technically and emotionally) and complex topic. Well done to both.

I know it's probably not the best use of his email account, but I did send him a short email thanking him for the work he did. At the very least, he needs to hear from people who appreciated the work he did (and obviously was foregoing billable time to do this).
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I occasionally send emails to, players, opposing coaches and up and coming coaches that I admire. I actually get a lot of responses. Recently after our game with Morehead State I got an amazing response from Coach Spradin. If you haven't watched his post game interview with he and his players you should. Coach and players are good people and Im a bit of a fan now.
 
#457      
Illinijoe
Just shows the AP voters are very uneducated and don’t understand the system
 
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lstewart53x3
ever said:
As some others have posted, this is a day of mixed-emotions. I'm glad our justice system has a threshold of "beyond reasonable doubt", and based on everything that was made public and reported, I'm obviously very glad the jury saw the reasonable doubt that we all saw and found TSJ not guilty.

But there is no justice here for whoever is guilty, nor as much clarity as the innocent deserve, and that's very sad.

If the woman was assaulted and generally said what she believed to be true, she gets nothing but ridicule for being misunderstood, and her assaulter is not held accountable and could have even more audacity to assault someone else. If she was not assaulted and/or knowingly made grossly false statements, she will likely not be punished for that unless more evidence comes out (some of the things reported were a bad look, but were far from proof that she knowingly made false accusations). If Shannon is innocent (while he was found not guilty, I don't think the evidence of his innocence reached 100%), he will never get to re-do the last 7+ months of his life, and who knows how this could hang over him in the future (sponsors, future girlfriend's parents, etc).

As for counter-suing, my first thought was that's a waste of time, money, energy, etc, and that he shouldn't draw more attention to this. But if anything comes up that would prove an intentionally false accusation, getting something on record (not for the money) would be very valuable to clear up anything that could hang over him in the future.
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1: No evidence (video or DNA)

2: Alleged victim’s changing stories (was she grabbed by the wrist or not? Did she have a sip of a drink or more than that? Was she terrified or surprised?)

3: Friend of the alleged victim’s changing story (she initially stated to police she did not see anything, but under oath she saw the wrist grab, which the alleged victim originally stated to police her wrist was not grabbed).

4: We all understand that people have different reactions to traumatic events and I’ve certainly never been in the same situation as the alleged victim so I can’t speak directly to that, but going out to the same bar the night after you were allegedly raped in it is an interesting choice?

5: Another interesting choice is that for a girl who doesn’t drink or like large crowds to go to the same bar 30-40 times with a fake ID (not that this means it didn’t happen, simply that it’s another possible hole in the only potential evidence in the entire case, her own testimony).

6: Possible motive for picking the wrong guy or making the situation up found in the money eye emojis shared by her friend in the group chat.

7: Another man who was guilty sexual assault in the past was also accused of committing the same act 2 weeks prior and he was in the same bar at the same time of this attack, yet was never even interviewed for this crime?

8: The detectives on the case didn’t know how to spell Terrance’s name, didn’t interview witnesses, never went to back to the bar themselves, etc.

9: Multiple witnesses that night confirmed that they did not even see Shannon with this particular girl, including Shannon’s sober designated driver who’s only job was to watch Shannon all night long.

Yeah, he’s 100% innocent to me.
 
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Keisersose
Interesting information from the Illini guys interview with Mitch Galfillan was the the foreman of the jury was a police officer. Maybe a retired police office I don’t remember for sure.
 
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Captain 14
ever said:
As some others have posted, this is a day of mixed-emotions. I'm glad our justice system has a threshold of "beyond reasonable doubt", and based on everything that was made public and reported, I'm obviously very glad the jury saw the reasonable doubt that we all saw and found TSJ not guilty.

But there is no justice here for whoever is guilty, nor as much clarity as the innocent deserve, and that's very sad.

If the woman was assaulted and generally said what she believed to be true, she gets nothing but ridicule for being misunderstood, and her assaulter is not held accountable and could have even more audacity to assault someone else. If she was not assaulted and/or knowingly made grossly false statements, she will likely not be punished for that unless more evidence comes out (some of the things reported were a bad look, but were far from proof that she knowingly made false accusations). If Shannon is innocent (while he was found not guilty, I don't think the evidence of his innocence reached 100%), he will never get to re-do the last 7+ months of his life, and who knows how this could hang over him in the future (sponsors, future girlfriend's parents, etc).

As for counter-suing, my first thought was that's a waste of time, money, energy, etc, and that he shouldn't draw more attention to this. But if anything comes up that would prove an intentionally false accusation, getting something on record (not for the money) would be very valuable to clear up anything that could hang over him in the future.
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Where I'm from (Earth) 12 out of 12 is 100 per cent.
 
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TampaToo
lstewart53x3 said:
1: No evidence (video or DNA)

2: Alleged victim’s changing stories (was she grabbed by the wrist or not? Did she have a sip of a drink or more than that? Was she terrified or surprised?)

3: Friend of the alleged victim’s changing story (she initially stated to police she did not see anything, but under oath she saw the wrist grab, which the alleged victim originally stated to police her wrist was not grabbed).

4: We all understand that people have different reactions to traumatic events and I’ve certainly never been in the same situation as the alleged victim so I can’t speak directly to that, but going out to the same bar the night after you were allegedly raped in it is an interesting choice?

5: Another interesting choice is that for a girl who doesn’t drink or like large crowds to go to the same bar 30-40 times with a fake ID (not that this means it didn’t happen, simply that it’s another possible hole in the only potential evidence in the entire case, her own testimony).

6: Possible motive for picking the wrong guy or making the situation up found in the money eye emojis shared by her friend in the group chat.

7: Another man who was guilty sexual assault in the past was also accused of committing the same act 2 weeks prior and he was in the same bar at the same time of this attack, yet was never even interviewed for this crime?

8: The detectives on the case didn’t know how to spell Terrance’s name, didn’t interview witnesses, never went to back to the bar themselves, etc.

9: Multiple witnesses that night confirmed that they did not even see Shannon with this particular girl, including Shannon’s sober designated driver who’s only job was to watch Shannon all night long.

Yeah, he’s 100% innocent to me.
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Terrence 😜
 
#466      
OrangeBlue98
chibar said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1801645411595084251
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I could only imagine the look on the DA's face when TSJ made that statement. It probably betrayed a thought of, "Oh, s***. I actually have to prove this in a real trial (where, remember, her office was 0 for 7 heading into this trial)."

It took GUTS to hold firm and look for the full exoneration. Or maybe it didn't, because by that time it was pretty obvious the DA's case was already falling apart. Hell, after I read the initial affidavit, I kept asking myself exactly what convinced the DA that there was a case worthy of a prosecution?
 
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IlliniFan42
Keisersose said:
Interesting information from the Illini guys interview with Mitch Galfillan was the the foreman of the jury was a police officer. Maybe a retired police office I don’t remember for sure.
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Then it's a good thing next to no policework was done. I bet Shannon's Defense was considering that when picking jurors, as I bet the lack of policework was very upsetting to this man. Normally if you're the Defense I don't think you want anybody with law enforcement ties on a jury, so that tells you how flimsy this was.
 
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AirNeazy
ever said:
If Shannon is innocent (while he was found not guilty, I don't think the evidence of his innocence reached 100%), he will never get to re-do the last 7+ months of his life, and who knows how this could hang over him in the future (sponsors, future girlfriend's parents, etc).
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I'm not going to assume what country you are from, but here in the United States we have this bedrock principle of our Justice system which is that you are always "innocent until proven guilty". Since TSJ was not found guilty in a court by a jury of his peers, in the eyes of the law (and as it should be in public discourse as well) he is considered 100% innocent.

No one cares what you specifically think in regards to the "evidence", he is deemed 100% innocent as it stands now.
 
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Battle89
aaeismacgychel said:
I think one of the reasons TSJ's lawyer went so bombastic in his mic drop after mic drop of closing statements was that very purpose. Declare loudly on the public stage that TSJ is innocent, that there was absolutely no evidence against him, that the police department and State's case is a disgrace, that the case had no merit whatsoever, that no investigation was done, that the alleged victim had a story that could not be corroborated and that her and her friend aren't the most credible or reliable witnesses, and finished with basically saying, 'We all know TSJ is not guilty of all charges, let's fill out the paperwork and all get the eff home from this monumental waste of time and blundering incompetence'.

And I think based on the reaction of the public it worked. You look at most of the public reaction and they're seeing TSJ as innocent and viewing him as the victim in all of this. I don't think he needs to go after the victim. Now if his legal team thinks that there is a decent possibility of a case against the DA/State/Lawrence PD with a large monetary payout, that is something I'd at least explore and pursue if you think you've got a really strong chance of winning.

But the overall takeaway is that TSJ won his innocence today, not in that he was declared not guilty, but in how he was declared not guilty.
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Agree with all but in the court of public opinion I think those cash emojis may have been the most impactful.

It was said by several here that real-life court is not like television legal dramas (and I agree), but the coming out of those emojis was the closest thing to a "TV A-HA moment" of the whole ordeal. That's the kind of thing casual fans will remember years from now, more than an impassioned close by his attorney. A trial 'sound bite', if you will, though visual not audio.
 
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The Galloping Ghost
The thing I keep tumbling around in my head about this case is TSJ was the one guy in that whole bar with a chaperone whose entire job was to watch him and make sure he didn't do anything stupid. And DyShawn Hobson is the only person in that bar pretty much guaranteed to be relatively sober because he had to drive back from Lawrence to Champaign that night to ensure TSJ and Justin were at practice in the morning. If you're on that jury and you question everybody else's level of intoxication, he's the person whose word comes off the most credible. He's the person you trust. And the Lawrence police never even interviewed him.
 
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Battle89
1970 John said:
She could but that would require her to hire lawyers. In the criminal case, “the state” brings the charges and pays for the investigation and the prosecution. If she loses, she loses all of her investment in the case.

Actually, being able to bring a civil case after a criminal trial acquittal can be a perverse form of double jeopardy…
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Or not so perverse
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#475      
Peteronthespot
The legal stuff is very interesting at times. And I read and post on it too. But I’d ask that we at some point just stop talking about it. Let’s instead talk about TSJ as a player-one of the top 5 in Illini history-in the future. I feel like talking about this total BS too much (which I admit I do too!) overwhelms his hoops legacy. There’s no asterisk on him. Feel like that’s a better way to honor his legacy.
 
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