The only difference will be regretI disagree with this take, but I know others feel the way you do.
At the combine - Edey had better times in all the agility drills than Clingan, better vertical, longer wingspan, shot better from 3, did everything better- and Clingan will be a top 5 pick. I don’t get the difference from an NBA scout perspective when Edey is clearly more dominant down low as well as being a better shooter and more athletic than Clingan, but I’m sure I’m missing something- but it seems Clingan is getting the UConn halo affect similar to how the Duke halo used to be.
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I said KAT's ability to shoot FTs in college was a better predictor of his ability to shoot from distance in the pros, as opposed to judging him off of his 8 3PA and only hitting 2 of them. If you said "oh well he only shot 25% from 3 in college, so he must not have a good chance of shooting well from distance as a pro," well, you would've been dead wrong. Hence why it's more important to judge Edey on his FT stats, which, while they're not amazing and definitely not at KAT's level, are also nowhere near the piss poor FT shooting of a guy like Dwight Howard. He (Edey) has shown the ability to be serviceable, in other words.KAT is arguably one of the best shooting big men to ever come through the league, using him as some kind of extrapolation path for Edey is a fools errand.
Almost every single player who makes the NBA is a "hard worker" who understands that they "need to be able to make shots from distance." If it was that easy then everyone would do it.
I'm sorry, but simply put....if you think Edey can develop into a *35%* shooter from 3 in the league than I have some oceanfront property off of Neil Street that you might be interested in as well
Garza was a weak, slow-footed defender in college, and that is and always has been the biggest thing holding him back at the pro level. His measureables (i.e., wingspan) were also not good (not to mention being 5 inches shorter than Edey). Success in the pro game goes well beyond basic counting stats and who won more collegiate awards. Go ask Tyler Hansbrough.
Also, Edey shot 50% from 3 this year. It means nothing on its own (just 1 for 2), which is why nobody should use it to judge his shooting, but he didn't shoot below 1% from 3. Lol.
I don't understand why it's so hard to envision Edey having a long, successful career in the NBA when a guy like Boban has been playing for 9 years (in the pace and space era), and Edey is far more talented on both ends than he is.
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Back in my day, the streets used to flood pretty hard in Champaign, so that doesn't seem too far fetchedKAT is arguably one of the best shooting big men to ever come through the league, using him as some kind of extrapolation path for Edey is a fools errand.
Almost every single player who makes the NBA is a "hard worker" who understands that they "need to be able to make shots from distance." If it was that easy then everyone would do it.
I'm sorry, but simply put....if you think Edey can develop into a *35%* shooter from 3 in the league than I have some oceanfront property off of Neil Street that you might be interested in as well
Zach can probably beat Garza in a 40 yard dash. Zach also makes guys
like Garza look normal sized.
IMO he probably has Shawn Bradley or Manute Bol’s career. Not a difference maker, but hangs around for a decade just by virtue of being crazy tall.
I've often considered Edey to be a less athletic Gheorghe Mureșan.
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Using big man FT% in college to try to extrapolate that Edey could become a good 3-pt shooter just because it worked out that way for KAT is faulty logic. If you think Edey can become a good 3 pt shooter IDK what to tell you, he's played 4 years of college ball and never showed one modicum of 3 pt shooting ability.
Yes, Garza is weak and slow footed on defense.......but you don't think Edey is the same when pulled out to the perimeter? You been watching the same B1G ball the last couple years....? Gritty absolutely hit the nail on the head with his post, NBA is a completely different type of ball (has almost become a bit of a "solved game" if you ask me with how teams are putting rosters together). Any minute that Edey sees the floor in an NBA game, the opposing offense is going to hunt the mismatch with a ball screen, and since he literally can only play drop coverage in pick and roll defense, he will get absolutely flambé'd by NBA guards. And he won't even be able to play drop all the time because the NBA has a defensive 3-seconds rule! At least Garza can possibly give some modern offense on the other side of the ball that isn't out of the George Mikan school of basketball moves, and even with that he's relegated to a 2-way player.
What do you think Jalen Brunson, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey, Trae Young, etc are going to do when they hunt Edey on a PnR? Hell, if it's a regular season game in January and the Celtics feel like giving Peyton Pritchard some extra minutes, he's probably going for 30+ if Edey is on the floor.
Boban is on NBA rosters because its documented how great of a locker room guy he is, the guy only ever gets to play every 3rd game at best if its a blowout for a couple spot minutes. Sure...I guess Edey can fill that role probably if he's content with that, but its not worth a 1st round pick even in a weak draft. I completely agree that success in the pro game is more than awards and counting stats, that's precisely why Edey will not be a successful pro player.
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In essence, this is the crux of my point....in the modern NBA there actually isn't much difference between Garza's defensive ability and Edey's. The nature of pro ball in 2024 means that Edey being a much better 1-1 post defender than Garza means very, very little since they both are equally terrible at guarding away from the basket.
If it was 1993, I'd 100% agree with all those saying Edey is being underrated.....but in that case Kofi would've been a top 5 pick as well. In the current NBA if you want to be an actual big man who gets minutes, you need to either be a floor spacer like Lopez or Embiid or Porzingis, or an athletic rim runner Derrick Lively-type. Edey is the worst of both worlds.
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No Green Room invitation yet for TSJ…. Hoping he will receive one
Edey is considerably better than Garza at guarding away from the basket.
And like I said, NBA scouts and executives disagree with you. Again, they're not always right but I'm going to go out on a limb and suspect they're right more often than posters on message boards.
Steven Adams has averaged over 26 minutes per game over 10 years and taken one 3-point shot, I believe.
IDK. I've seen a lot of guys blow by Edey only to get their shot blocked from behind & start seeing ghosts at the rim. He's not just big, he is circus big. It's not a small difference.
I think Edey will have a better career than most people think. He is huge!
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Imo, TJ is tailormade to be an immediate role player being able to play defense, hit catch and shoot 3s and be a problem in transition while he develops.
Only problem with Thibs is that he rarely plays rookies and he would be behind OG, Hart, and Divincenzo for mins.
OKC could be a place where could potentially start immediately but wonder if they would take him after the Giddey or from this year.
Is there a rumor being thrown around that TSJ might get an invite or something?
Not trying to be a smart-alick or anything with my question here. I was just wondering why we would hope that he would get an invite? We're not even sure if he'll be a 1st rounder yet. Although I would be either shocked or think it would be incredibly stupid (for NBA GM's) if he was not a 1st rounder. With this draft being so poor, I don't know why a team in the lottery that has needs at the wing spot pass up on a sure-fire pick like TSJ could be IMO. He's literally everything you want at that position. Besides, with team organizations putting such an emphasis on the character of a player these days, watching the demeanor of TSJ during and after that sham of a trial of his has to warrant something positive. How could it not?
Maybe my vision of TSJ being a 1st rounder is just me hoping through my O&B-tinted glasses and in the end I'm just a misguided fool.
College to NBA is a huge difference in size and Athleticism.
Boban is just as big as Edey and has never gotten serious minutes.
My bet is he is firmly in the 1st round now, but not in the lottery. They don't want you there is you aren't in the lottery. No one wants someone to be there who might not get picked in the first hour or so. It gets super awkward for everyone.Is there a rumor being thrown around that TSJ might get an invite or something?
Not trying to be a smart-alick or anything with my question here. I was just wondering why we would hope that he would get an invite? We're not even sure if he'll be a 1st rounder yet. Although I would be either shocked or think it would be incredibly stupid (for NBA GM's) if he was not a 1st rounder. With this draft being so poor, I don't know why a team in the lottery that has needs at the wing spot pass up on a sure-fire pick like TSJ could be IMO. He's literally everything you want at that position. Besides, with team organizations putting such an emphasis on the character of a player these days, watching the demeanor of TSJ during and after that sham of a trial of his has to warrant something positive. How could it not?
Maybe my vision of TSJ being a 1st rounder is just me hoping through my O&B-tinted glasses and in the end I'm just a misguided fool.
I doubt he gets past Minnesota late in the first. Would love to see him go there or even better OKC, late in the lottery. Those teams are in win-now mode, have young cores, are fun to watch, and will be on TV regularly.
Bulls would be cool because he could play with Ayo and those of us in Illinois could watch him every game, but that's a frustratingly mediocre organization. They always seem to push their chips in on the wrong hand.
Boban is not really comparable to Edey besides height. His stamina has always been a huge issue in a way that Edey seems to not struggle with. Just looking at how each moves, there is a noticeable difference in fluidity between them (not to say Edey is fluid, just in comparison). I think a complementary role and mid-first pick makes sense.
I view him as a a much bigger/more skilled Ivica Zubac from the Clippers as his upside. You won't build a contender around him, but he can contribute to a winning team.
Lol Boban is literally nearly the same size and build(longer arms).
Edey has slow feet. He will get cooked on switches in the pnr in the NBA.
He was great in college basketball because lack of shooting on rosters and all the best bigs go pro after a year or two max.
In the NBA nearly everyone can shoot and he's going to be facing a team of guys that are far bigger, stronger, and more athletic than college players.
He struggled at times seeing doubles from 6 ft guys, how is he going to handle doubles from NBA athletes? Sure he will be fine in one on one matchups in the post but no NBA team wants to play that way for any significant amount of minutes.
I'll trust Sam Vecenie:
"Edey improved defensively over his time in college, becoming an impactful drop-coverage pick-and-roll defender who took up enough space to dissuade guards from driving and finishing around the basket."
"...Edey appears to be rising right now. It would be a surprise to see him get outside of the top-22 or so picks. I have Portland selecting him with the final pick of the lottery, as the Blazers are exploring frontcourt options. In particular, Edey’s screening would be a godsend for guards like Scoot Henderson and Anfernee Simons after last season’s Portland group struggled to gain any sort of separation."
"Edey improved defensively over his time in college, becoming an impactful drop-coverage pick-and-roll defender who took up enough space to dissuade guards from driving and finishing around the basket."
"...Edey appears to be rising right now. It would be a surprise to see him get outside of the top-22 or so picks. I have Portland selecting him with the final pick of the lottery, as the Blazers are exploring frontcourt options. In particular, Edey’s screening would be a godsend for guards like Scoot Henderson and Anfernee Simons after last season’s Portland group struggled to gain any sort of separation."
No rumor, I was just hoping he’d get an invitation (as a clue that he will be selected in first round)Is there a rumor being thrown around that TSJ might get an invite or something?
Not trying to be a smart-alick or anything with my question here. I was just wondering why we would hope that he would get an invite? We're not even sure if he'll be a 1st rounder yet. Although I would be either shocked or think it would be incredibly stupid (for NBA GM's) if he was not a 1st rounder. With this draft being so poor, I don't know why a team in the lottery that has needs at the wing spot pass up on a sure-fire pick like TSJ could be IMO. He's literally everything you want at that position. Besides, with team organizations putting such an emphasis on the character of a player these days, watching the demeanor of TSJ during and after that sham of a trial of his has to warrant something positive. How could it not?
Maybe my vision of TSJ being a 1st rounder is just me hoping through my O&B-tinted glasses and in the end I'm just a misguided fool.
Evidence for Edey being significantly better on the perimeter? I recall one of the big issues in their loss to Nebby was Mast pulling Edey out to the perimeter and Keisei feasting on PnR actions that Hoiberg was putting Edey in.
Steven Adams is a much more athletic and fleet footed big man than Edey, bad comparison IMO
Edey way outperformed expectations in agility at the combine. Better lane agility and shuttle run times than likely 1st round C's Clingan, Sarr, Holmes. ...and Coleman Hawkins...
Shoot... his shuttle run was better than Bronny James, Reed Shepherd, and Tyler Kolek's.
Dude is not a glacier. He looks slow, but he takes BIG steps. lol
As we have thoroughly explored, if a GM wants to believe it, they will find a way. It's not hard to find evidence that Zach might be serviceable on defense.
He said not really comparable besides height.
You nailed it. Two things can be true: he looks slow/plodding when he moves, but he's also so massive that he's covering an unreal amount of space when he moves those slow legs. Hence not looking agile but testing out better than a lot of other guys that look the part. His block on Coleman in our second game was telling imo. Coleman tried to pull him out and take him off the dribble. He beat Edey, but Edey's recovered and blocked the shot with his massive reach.
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