Legitimate question. I wasn't able to watch Edey much. What skills does he possess that Kofi did not?
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Ya, I'm mystified by this as well. Honestly though the same thing happens in the business world. Some companies are media darlings and thus their stock price climbs relative to their peers for no apparent reason. Just a oddity of human nature I suppose.I disagree with this take, but I know others feel the way you do.
At the combine - Edey had better times in all the agility drills than Clingan, better vertical, longer wingspan, shot better from 3, did everything better- and Clingan will be a top 5 pick. I don’t get the difference from an NBA scout perspective when Edey is clearly more dominant down low as well as being a better shooter and more athletic than Clingan, but I’m sure I’m missing something- but it seems Clingan is getting the UConn halo affect similar to how the Duke halo used to be.
The Galloping Ghost
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27. Minnesota Timberwolves
Terrence Shannon Jr., SG/SF, Illinois | Age: 23.8"Shannon was acquitted last week and found not guilty of rape and sexual battery charges, a case NBA teams had been following closely. The clarity offered by the court ruling should put front offices and ownership groups at ease, and it reopens a path for Shannon back into the first round, where he will now conduct workouts for a handful of teams going into draft night.
It's quite possible Shannon hears his name called well before this pick at No. 27, with many teams in the top 25 expressing interest. He has an opportunity to work his way up the board in the days to come. His athletic tools have always been NBA-caliber, but his development at Illinois into a more consistent two-way contributor helped raise the perception around his floor as a useful rotation player.
A playoff-caliber team like the Timberwolves might be excited to see him fall here. -- Woo"
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If Clingan goes top 5, there will be a team that regretted the 2024 NBA Draft, IMHO.
theNewGuy
- Dallas, TX
How bout get drafted early and help turn that team into a championship contender?27. Minnesota Timberwolves
Terrence Shannon Jr., SG/SF, Illinois | Age: 23.8
"Shannon was acquitted last week and found not guilty of rape and sexual battery charges, a case NBA teams had been following closely. The clarity offered by the court ruling should put front offices and ownership groups at ease, and it reopens a path for Shannon back into the first round, where he will now conduct workouts for a handful of teams going into draft night.
It's quite possible Shannon hears his name called well before this pick at No. 27, with many teams in the top 25 expressing interest. He has an opportunity to work his way up the board in the days to come. His athletic tools have always been NBA-caliber, but his development at Illinois into a more consistent two-way contributor helped raise the perception around his floor as a useful rotation player.
A playoff-caliber team like the Timberwolves might be excited to see him fall here. -- Woo"
Torn between wanting him on a good team that's ready to go now and wanting him to get drafted as early as possible. Either way, it's nice he's now getting the respect he deserves.Updated two-round NBA mock draft: Who's rising and falling, plus latest intel for every pick
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Seeing him on the fast break alongside possibly the most electric guy in the NBA right now would be a thing of beauty. And he fits the defensive profile of that team well.
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Am I just way out of the NBA loop, or is there at least one team like that in every draft?
ChiefGritty
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Translation: "Now that he's officially on teams' draft boards we're hearing buzz from our sources within teams all over the first round, but this is so late-breaking in the draft process we haven't had time to sort out all the noise"
If you go back on pretty much any draft there are multiple teams with regrets. It's an imperfect art for so many reasons.
There are about 20 teams that didn't draft Jalen Brunson that wished they had, for example. The question is usually just how big a regret it is.
I think Edey gets a bad rap, but I’d take Clingan. He’s 2 years younger, so more development possible and from what I saw of the two of them play (obviously seen Edey more) I’m not sure if Edey is more athletic on the court. He might have tested better, but just like football where there is speed and then football speed drills don’t tell the whole story.I disagree with this take, but I know others feel the way you do.
At the combine - Edey had better times in all the agility drills than Clingan, better vertical, longer wingspan, shot better from 3, did everything better- and Clingan will be a top 5 pick. I don’t get the difference from an NBA scout perspective when Edey is clearly more dominant down low as well as being a better shooter and more athletic than Clingan, but I’m sure I’m missing something- but it seems Clingan is getting the UConn halo affect similar to how the Duke halo used to be.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It will be an unpopular view here I'm sure but in a draft being held in the dented cans aisle with all these flawed low-ceiling players I would be targeting Kel'el Ware. A lot not to like about him, but there's no question of his superstar upside and that's rare among this class.
Plenty of talent for sure. My John Deere has a stronger motor than that kid.
Agreed. I could see him flourishing if he lands in the right culture with good vet mentors. His career trajectory if drafted to a Pistons/Hornets will likely turn out far differently than if he lands with a Warriors-/Celtics-type team. The latter (Celtics) in particular would be a great fit given their need for a mobile big as Porzingis insurance.
Clingan has the potential to be an elite rim protector in the NBA. Edey does not. He has one move - park his a** in the paint and then do a dropstep into a post hook. Pretty much a super rich man's Jahlil Okafor and there's no room in the league for guys like that anymore.
KAT is arguably one of the best shooting big men to ever come through the league, using him as some kind of extrapolation path for Edey is a fools errand.
Almost every single player who makes the NBA is a "hard worker" who understands that they "need to be able to make shots from distance." If it was that easy then everyone would do it.
I'm sorry, but simply put....if you think Edey can develop into a *35%* shooter from 3 in the league than I have some oceanfront property off of Neil Street that you might be interested in as well
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Garza:
Junior year: 24/10/1.8blk, 36% from 3, BPOY, AA 1st
Senior Year: 24/9/1.6 blk 44% (!) from 3, BPOY, AA 1st, NPOY
Edey:
Junior Year: 22/13/2 blk, 0% from 3, BPOY, AA 1st, NPOY
Senior Year: 25/12/2 blk, 0.5% from 3, BPOY, AA 1st, NPOY
Bit of a disservice to Gaarza to say he's not even on Edey's level considering Garza could actually exhibit basketball skill in moves other than a post dropstep and shoot more than 1% from behind the arc.
One of these players was a better NBA prospect than the other and it's pretty obvious. The only league where Edey will ever see 15+mpg will be in the Philippines.
'garza is a good 3 point shooter and nothing else. Too slow to play in the NBA. Edey is 7' 5" tall and strong, there will be a spot for him. If edey was at UConn and Clinghan at Purdue UConn would have been even more dominate.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Well and let's be specific about it.
The defensive 3 seconds rule in the NBA does not allow a giant defender to camp out in the middle of the floor and force the play to come towards him, which is the method by which Edey dominated games in college.
College and international basketball do not have that rule, and thus are more favorable environments for an Edey-type player.
The NBA is the best league in the world with the highest level of player talent, but it's also a quite specific and idiosyncratic type of basketball because the rules and the way those rules are refereed are different.
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As much as I love TSJ, he should not go to the Bulls. The bulls are in a weird situation with their old star on an expiring contract (Derozan) and likely to sign a short term large deal. The rest of their rotation is fairly locked into contracts outside Patrick Williams. However, they have shown to be a fringe playoff team with this core.
Realistically, Lonzo will not be able to play next year and the guard rotation will be Coby,Ayo, Caruso, and Lavine. Additionally, you have young pieces in Dalen Terry and Jevon to look to ease into the rotation. The best case scenario is they opt into a full rebuild.
Keep Derozan to a 2 year and let him be a transition piece for the younger players. Trade Lavine + 1 of Caruso, Terry, Carter. Vucevic trade value is at an all time low, and Drummond contract expiring so it might be worth to just keep Vuc and draft a big to play behind him. Attempt to trade him at the deadline to a contender.
In the draft, they should really target Ware, Missi, or another big with the #11 pick. If a young talented guard like Ron Holland falls, they should take him. There’s no point picking TSJ at 11 when you can trade down to 20-25 where he should still be available. While TSJ is a great player, he is likely to fall out of the lottery due to timelines of most lottery picks.
These teams are multiple years away from contending and are looking for a high upside younger guy than a rotation player. By the time of his second contract, TSJ will be 28. Most NBA players are in their prime from 26-31. Teams try to shape their championship window around those years as well. TSJ should go to a win-now team like the Timberwolves, Nuggets, Thunder, Knicks, Heat where the wing spots are relatively fluid and a rotation player could be the difference between winning a game in the playoffs
Realistically, Lonzo will not be able to play next year and the guard rotation will be Coby,Ayo, Caruso, and Lavine. Additionally, you have young pieces in Dalen Terry and Jevon to look to ease into the rotation. The best case scenario is they opt into a full rebuild.
Keep Derozan to a 2 year and let him be a transition piece for the younger players. Trade Lavine + 1 of Caruso, Terry, Carter. Vucevic trade value is at an all time low, and Drummond contract expiring so it might be worth to just keep Vuc and draft a big to play behind him. Attempt to trade him at the deadline to a contender.
In the draft, they should really target Ware, Missi, or another big with the #11 pick. If a young talented guard like Ron Holland falls, they should take him. There’s no point picking TSJ at 11 when you can trade down to 20-25 where he should still be available. While TSJ is a great player, he is likely to fall out of the lottery due to timelines of most lottery picks.
These teams are multiple years away from contending and are looking for a high upside younger guy than a rotation player. By the time of his second contract, TSJ will be 28. Most NBA players are in their prime from 26-31. Teams try to shape their championship window around those years as well. TSJ should go to a win-now team like the Timberwolves, Nuggets, Thunder, Knicks, Heat where the wing spots are relatively fluid and a rotation player could be the difference between winning a game in the playoffs
Defensively, there is no comparison between the two. Garza is a sieve on defense. He isn't very tall or quick and he can't really jump.
Obviously even experts can be wrong, but I find it funny when people think they're considerably smarter than people who do this for a living.
Yeah I can see that, but TSJ and Ant would be more fun to watch imo
Easy enough. He's not at a position of need for the Bulls right now unless they trade LaVine. Bigger needs are frontcourt and 3 point shooting.
I'm actually a big Clingan fan in the NBA game. His defensive versatility alone gives him a high NBA floor. Hope he falls to the Bulls at 11.
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