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IlliniwekKDR

Colorado Springs, CO
My bet is he is firmly in the 1st round now, but not in the lottery. They don't want you there is you aren't in the lottery. No one wants someone to be there who might not get picked in the first hour or so. It gets super awkward for everyone.

I doubt he gets past Minnesota late in the first. Would love to see him go there or even better OKC, late in the lottery. Those teams are in win-now mode, have young cores, are fun to watch, and will be on TV regularly.

Bulls would be cool because he could play with Ayo and those of us in Illinois could watch him every game, but that's a frustratingly mediocre organization. They always seem to push their chips in on the wrong hand.
I'm having visions of Will Levis going home not knowing what team he is on after the first day
 
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He said not really comparable besides height.
Yeah but they are.

Same height(Boban has longer arms), same weight, similar foot speed. Similar skillset(Boban is actually probably a better passer).

If you ever have seen Boban play he's basically the same type of player.
 
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Evidence for Edey being significantly better on the perimeter? I recall one of the big issues in their loss to Nebby was Mast pulling Edey out to the perimeter and Keisei feasting on PnR actions that Hoiberg was putting Edey in.

Steven Adams is a much more athletic and fleet footed big man than Edey, bad comparison IMO

It's not a comparison.

You said:

"In the current NBA if you want to be an actual big man who gets minutes, you need to either be a floor spacer like Lopez or Embiid or Porzingis, or an athletic rim runner Derrick Lively-type."

Well, Steven Adams is neither of those. And he's played 10 years in the league and averaged over 26 minutes per game.

Combine stats -

Lane agility time:
Adams - 11.85 seconds
Edey - 11.19 seconds

Shuttle run:
Adams - 3.02 seconds
Edey - 3.01 seconds

3/4 sprint:
Adams - 3.40 seconds
Edey - 3.42 seconds

I'm not sure that qualifies as "much more athletic and fleet-footed".
 
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It's not a comparison.

You said:

"In the current NBA if you want to be an actual big man who gets minutes, you need to either be a floor spacer like Lopez or Embiid or Porzingis, or an athletic rim runner Derrick Lively-type."

Well, Steven Adams is neither of those. And he's played 10 years in the league and averaged over 26 minutes per game.

Combine stats -

Lane agility time:
Adams - 11.85 seconds
Edey - 11.19 seconds

Shuttle run:
Adams - 3.02 seconds
Edey - 3.01 seconds

3/4 sprint:
Adams - 3.40 seconds
Edey - 3.42 seconds

I'm not sure that qualifies as "much more athletic and fleet-footed".
Basketball is more than combine measurements. And Steven Adams did come into the league as a more athletic big man who's job was to run straight at the rim and catch dunks and feeds.
 
#159      
Basketball is more than combine measurements. And Steven Adams did come into the league as a more athletic big man who's job was to run straight at the rim and catch dunks and feeds.
That’s true. It’s easy to get sucked into the athletic measurements of raw prospects. GM’s Fallon love with upside in raw athletes.

There aren’t many sure things in this draft. You gotta pick someone. It won’t take long for some GM to decide it’s safer to draft the guy who averaged 25 & 12, was 2X player of the year, and dragged his team to a national title game, than draft a European kid the owner has never heard of.
 
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Captain Bubbles

Fairfield, IL
I take NBA mock drafts with a grain of salt. The website I only follow when it comes to that is NBADraft.net. So far, it has TJ to go 27th for Minnesota. For next year's draft, Kylan Boswell is a projected late first rounder at 29th. Though the 2025 draft will change over time, I found that to be interesting.

What has always intrigued me about every draft are the blowups that occur. Everything going well as projected, then zing! Who is this kid? Why did this team recruit him? We shall see next week of the blowups and snags that will occur.
 
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#164      
I said KAT's ability to shoot FTs in college was a better predictor of his ability to shoot from distance in the pros, as opposed to judging him off of his 8 3PA and only hitting 2 of them. If you said "oh well he only shot 25% from 3 in college, so he must not have a good chance of shooting well from distance as a pro," well, you would've been dead wrong. Hence why it's more important to judge Edey on his FT stats, which, while they're not amazing and definitely not at KAT's level, are also nowhere near the piss poor FT shooting of a guy like Dwight Howard. He (Edey) has shown the ability to be serviceable, in other words.


Garza was a weak, slow-footed defender in college, and that is and always has been the biggest thing holding him back at the pro level. His measureables (i.e., wingspan) were also not good (not to mention being 5 inches shorter than Edey). Success in the pro game goes well beyond basic counting stats and who won more collegiate awards. Go ask Tyler Hansbrough.

Also, Edey shot 50% from 3 this year. It means nothing on its own (just 1 for 2), which is why nobody should use it to judge his shooting, but he didn't shoot below 1% from 3. Lol.

I don't understand why it's so hard to envision Edey having a long, successful career in the NBA when a guy like Boban has been playing for 9 years (in the pace and space era), and Edey is far more talented on both ends than he is.
KAT shot lots of threes back in high school. He was simply not allowed to do that in games at UK. So I am not sure if that's a fair comparison.
 
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KAT shot lots of threes back in high school. He was simply not allowed to do that in games at UK. So I am not sure if that's a fair comparison.
Yeah, his Kentucky squad might have been the most talented team in history. (Certainly, in recent history) There was no reason for him to need to do that.
 
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I've talked myself into thinking Shannon gets drafted by the Lakers if he's still available at #17. I'm probably reading way too much into the LeBron tweet but the man doesn't have much time left in the league and they need a win-now player.
 
#167      
There aren’t many sure things in this draft. You gotta pick someone. It won’t take long for some GM to decide it’s safer to draft the guy who averaged 25 & 12, was 2X player of the year, and dragged his team to a national title game, than draft a European kid the owner has never heard of.

Agree for sure, but similar logic lead to things like Ayton and Bagley getting drafted over Luka
 
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LOL Luka verbally b**ch-slapping Divac this year as he had a courtside view of the Kings being torched.......chef's kiss
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Bagley going over Luka was another shot fired in the Yugoslav Wars
Luka's performance as a 16-18 year old at Real Madrid, especially winning the Spanish and EuroLeague MVP his final year, was such a singular 1 of 1 that teams lost sight of what they were looking at. No one has ever been close to that good that young at that level.

The EuroLeague is a level of basketball so much higher than the NCAA is or ever has been that Luka was the most proven player ever to enter the NBA Draft, full stop. He was the surest of sure things, but that being true of this chubby Slovenian teenager just kinda became an optical illusion for scouts.
 
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Best player out of this draft IMO could very well be Reed Sheppard. Can't teach shooting like that and in today's game every team needs it
Who is he guarding? If your premise is that Edey can't play because he can't guard... I mean... a 6'2" kid with a 6'3" wingspan is going to slow down Tyrese Maxey or SGA?
He'd better be more Steph Curry than Jimmer Fredette. Could go either way.
Luka's performance as a 16-18 year old at Real Madrid, especially winning the Spanish and EuroLeague MVP his final year, was such a singular 1 of 1 that teams lost sight of what they were looking at. No one has ever been close to that good that young at that level.

The EuroLeague is a level of basketball so much higher than the NCAA is or ever has been that Luka was the most proven player ever to enter the NBA Draft, full stop. He was the surest of sure things, but that being true of this chubby Slovenian teenager just kinda became an optical illusion for scouts.
The Kings had just drafted Buddy and Fox (who is awesome in his own right), so you can sort of understand why they might look for a bigger guy. They are also very famous for making bad moves, so...
Ayton looked like the real deal too, but he wasn't proven like Luka. Ayton has never really made "the jump". He's good, not great.

Scouts get hung up on guys who don't fit their paradigms. Luka does not look the part of an NBA superstar. He's just so freaking skilled and is a bad shot maker. He's got stuff you can't and wouldn't teach.
 
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