Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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FrankNitty30

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HensonHall71 said:
Just following the logic here- the only thing Painter saying this accomplishes is to make himself look good and throw the kid under the bus and make it sound like you broke up with him

Which can only mean -> Painter is still pissd that he lost his highest ranked recruit ever

Which probably means -> It didn’t go down exactly like this. If he was truly ready to move on from the kid, what is the point to airing this?

When Skyy left in the middle of the season, literally quit on his team - Brad never said a bad word about him, in fact made sure he got his NIL still, which he didn’t have to do

I’ll take Brad’s approach every time rather than pump your chest to the media to make a kid look bad
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Having coached for close to 30 years and over a decade at the collegiate level…. I can tell you Matt Painter is SPOT ON about his assessment of the situation and I see no reason to look into his motives or he is hiding what “truly” went down. Culture as a team is infinitely more important than talent for an individual.

Now, whether he should have said what he said….. I don’t know. Could be some sour grapes. But his assessment of the situation was 100% on the money.
 
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lstewart53x3 said:
While the story is certainly possible, it’s still a bad look to air your dirty laundry in public.
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Well, that’s one take. If you’re a Purdont fan (or any other fan base) you could say similar things about fart noises in press conferences, comments about no leadership from within, dysfunction (fight) within the team, etc.
I just find it funny that we gravitate towards nit picking other coaches and then excuse what most others would deem equally offensive things.
No critique on Brad here from me, but we’ve certainly had more than our fair share of transfers, coaching carousel, etc….
So my point is that everything I’ve seen from MP is quality guy, terrific coach, very solid results. He’s doing something right.
 
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FrankNitty30

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BashCtIllini said:
One of my good buddies is a Purdue grad who follows sports and recruiting closely. He said, Catchings wanted a guaranteed starting spot and minutes. Painter told him, we don't do that, earn it, and you'll get it, and I think you're good enough to earn it. He said, I want a guarantee, or I'm decommitting. Painter said, we'd hate to see you go, but I don't give minutes, they have to be earned. Catchings then said bye.

I had not heard of him wanting to come back. I couldn't certainly see Painter saying, you don't have the right attitude for my team, but with a potential 1 or 2 and done player, I would think he'd warrant a second chance. So that part is a bit strange.
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It definitely did not warrant a second chance. You cut bait and leave.
 
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FinallyMadeAnAccount said:
By the tournament, the rotation will be cut down to 8. My starters + 3 off the bench are:

1: Boswell
2: KJ
3: Riley
4: Humrichous
5: Ivisic

Off the bench: Rodgers, White, and Morez

I feel like this starting 5 seems to be the most common and the 3 guys off the bench provide the best help to that 5.
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Altuve27 said:
This is going to be really fascinating to see how this plays out. That’s 11 talented players you just listed. Combo and I batted this around a week and a half ago. He’s correct in asserting that no college coach plays 10 players. I argued for a 9 man rotation given the roster depth. Let’s say for argument’s sake that happens, who do you leave out of the rotation?

For this exercise let’s just assume Davis redshirts. I think we have 8 guaranteed rotation spots accounted for. Who gets the last spot?

Man, practice is going to be a blood sport.
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couldn't agree more. I expect a lot of fluidity in practice and the Nov. games
 
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IlliniInCAN

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In the spirit of trying to be realistic (because each year at this stage I convince myself we’ve got a roster of 11 all Americans) I think history says there will be a core 8 man rotation that gets the vast majority of minutes. Can a team go 9-10 deep? Sure. But most often the 9-10 guys are not consistent contributors.

The younger the player, most often, the less likely they are to have high major impact. I think these freshman have a ton of talent, but playing at a high level consistently against high major competition is a lot to ask.

There could be two projections on lineups, one to start the season and one to end it. The top 8 will likely be different by the end. But based on how Brad likes age and experience I think it starts like this:

1. Boswell
2. White
3. Rodgers
4. Hum
5. Ivisic

6. Riley
7. DGL
8. Johnson
9. KJ

Ends something like this:

1. Boswell
2. Riley
3. White
4. Hum
5. Ivisic

6. DGL
7. Johnson
8. KJ/Rodgers

I know a lot of people are high on KJ, but he’s young and the competition will be a major leap up. Not saying he can’t, but more likely he won’t be as big an impact as people might expect. Hope he proves me wrong!

This roster has more talent from top to bottom than any I can remember. Maybe not as top heavy, but very balanced when Booth is your 10th best player.

Can’t wait to see how it all shakes out.
 
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HensonHall71

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FrankNitty30 said:
I don’t Having coached for close to 30 years and over a decade at the collegiate level…. I can tell you Matt Painter is SPOT ON about his assessment of the situation and I see no reason to look into his motives or he is hiding what “truly” went down. Culture as a team is infinitely more important than talent for an individual.

Now, whether he should have said what he said….. I don’t know. Could be some sour grapes. But his assessment of the situation was 100% on the money.
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I’m not questioning the decision - I think this entire board is 100% in alignment, culture over player every time

I’m questioning if Painter did some spin doctoring in his answer to make him/his program look good and I think he almost certainly did.
 
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IlliniInCAN said:
In the spirit of trying to be realistic (because each year at this stage I convince myself we’ve got a roster of 11 all Americans) I think history says there will be a core 8 man rotation that gets the vast majority of minutes. Can a team go 9-10 deep? Sure. But most often the 9-10 guys are not consistent contributors.

The younger the player, most often, the less likely they are to have high major impact. I think these freshman have a ton of talent, but playing at a high level consistently against high major competition is a lot to ask.

There could be two projections on lineups, one to start the season and one to end it. The top 8 will likely be different by the end. But based on how Brad likes age and experience I think it starts like this:

1. Boswell
2. White
3. Rodgers
4. Hum
5. Ivisic

6. Riley
7. DGL
8. Johnson
9. KJ

Ends something like this:

1. Boswell
2. Riley
3. White
4. Hum
5. Ivisic

6. DGL
7. Johnson
8. KJ/Rodgers

This roster has more talent from top to bottom than any I can remember. Maybe not as top heavy, but very balanced when Booth is your 10th best player.
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You can likely bet your beach house that Booth does not see himself in that position.

Not that I am hyping him...or anyone...but I don't think any of the top 10 guys on the roster see themselves outside the starting lineup. That said, I look for about 7 or 8 of them to end up being the kind of players BU sees as dependable in the clutch. Who those guys are is pretty much a guess at this time.

One thing of which I have confidence,...I look for the team FT% to be higher this year, especially if Ty can go north of 70%...but who knows?
 
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Shabasco

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STL Illini said:
Well, that’s one take. If you’re a Purdont fan (or any other fan base) you could say similar things about fart noises in press conferences, comments about no leadership from within, dysfunction (fight) within the team, etc.
I just find it funny that we gravitate towards nit picking other coaches and then excuse what most others would deem equally offensive things.
No critique on Brad here from me, but we’ve certainly had more than our fair share of transfers, coaching carousel, etc….
So my point is that everything I’ve seen from MP is quality guy, terrific coach, very solid results. He’s doing something right.
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The exception being that what you listed was in regards to current players on the team, typically post game, as opposed to comments about a player no longer on your roster. I tend to agree with the sentiment that less is more when discussing players who have chosen to leave a program. Everything he said could and may be 100% true but I don't know that it necessarily benefits you, especially down the road with potential recruits and opposing coaches, to come out and state that.
 
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Combo

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Chuck Nuggets said:
The talent on this roster is absurd. It will be the deepest roster since 1989, maybe longer. That guarantees nothing, but this team has a chance to be pretty good.
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1989 wasn't super deep. First off the bench were Smith and Liberty. Those two were quality for sure. Next you had PJ Bowman and E Small. While they were ok here and there, neither was going to start for many major teams. And that's about it. IIRC Kaufman redshirted that year (hurt?).

But that team was intense. When 100% healthy they did not lose a game all year, including the tournament. If you could bottle that intensity, wow!

For really deep teams, I think you'd have to go with a couple of Kruger's teams. When they had Cook, Arch, Krupalia, D Bradford, etc. Maybe would include Self's 1st year.
 
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