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Very good analysis imo. We should also take into account that most teams, even elite ones, have a guy (or multiple in many cases) that are either poor shooters or non-shooters entirely such as in Ty's case. You could even make the case that a guy like Castle for UConn last year who shot 26% from three would be more effective if he didn't have a green light to shoot from out there (not that they needed to reign him in, they were an absolute juggernaut, but just making the point in general here).
Additionally, if Ty is going to play more 3/4 this year then a jump shot is even less necessary. That said, we're all hoping he improves in that area and we've seen guys become good-to-great shooters even with bad form (think: Kevin Martin, Shawn Marion). Joakim Noah had probably the worst looking shot I've ever seen and he was money from mid range and a career 70+ percent FT shooter.
Yeah it wouldn't surprise me if that's what ends up happening. As others have noted, it depends on what Brad prioritizes in that role, and also on how White does on defense and whether Ty makes some improvements on offense. And I agree with the others that have noted that it's good that guys will be competing for minutes. It will make everyone better.
Yes we were awesome offensively, but obviously Ty and all of the others will all have to make strides to make up for the huge losses we have to overcome. And I think we can be great offensively again thanks to the pieces the staff has brought in, but it's also obviously true that any improvement Ty could hypothetically make on offense in terms of his skillset would be a huge help to that end.
For Ty, the quetion is: can he still be that efficient if he doesn't have TSJ, Domask and Hawkins on the floor with him. (And I think the answer could well be yes with guys like Ivisic, Humrizzle, KJ and Boswell on the floor instead. And again, I could also see White possibly starting over him, as well. We'll see how it all plays out. It will be fun to watch...)
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100%. I like Tre and think he brings a lot- his driving, finishing, and rebounding especially, and if he can get back to his freshman year mentality on defense, I like what he could bring there too. But Ty's a much better rebounder and passer, a far more proven defender especially against guards, a more natural leader, and this may surprise some people, but he's actually a far more efficient scorer on offense. And as I said, I like Tre and think he will be major contributor this year, and could even work his way into a starting spot, but as of right now, I also think think Tre doesn't replace Ty so much as offer something different. I expect Tre and Ty to share minutes and it might even be interesting to see the two play together as they might complement each other with Tre's short midrange game and Ty's penchant for attacking the offensive boards. Could give a more defensive gritty look for us in certain matchups and when Humrichous needs a breather.
Guess there's more a shot than I first thought here...
He's honestly pretty underrated - just 16...and not even a 5 star in the 247? Dude tore up the EYBL and is as skilled a wing you'll find (outside AJ maybe).
Just my personal opinion...
if we land him, feel like he'll be better for the 25-26 team rather than the coming year's team - he'll fit better. If you plug him on this year's team...
Kylan, Kasparas, Tre, Ben, Tomislav...
Who you taking out? One of those guys won't be starting or he won't be starting - that doesn't sound too good fit wise IMO. But I trust the staff to work it out and if it's a "lose it or used it" situation it'll be plain and simply idiotic to not take it.
He's honestly pretty underrated - just 16...and not even a 5 star in the 247? Dude tore up the EYBL and is as skilled a wing you'll find (outside AJ maybe).
Just my personal opinion...
if we land him, feel like he'll be better for the 25-26 team rather than the coming year's team - he'll fit better. If you plug him on this year's team...
Kylan, Kasparas, Tre, Ben, Tomislav...
Who you taking out? One of those guys won't be starting or he won't be starting - that doesn't sound too good fit wise IMO. But I trust the staff to work it out and if it's a "lose it or used it" situation it'll be plain and simply idiotic to not take it.
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Steelyunk
- Tobacco Road
Few good teams have 9 or 10 player rotations (see article below).
Last year's squad had six guys playing >20 min, typical for Underwoods teams. A couple of guys get 10 to 15 minutes.
So that's an eight man rotation. who on this squad gets them?
boswell and humrichous get 30 minutes each.
ivisch gets 25 because he's the only seven footer - but he may foul a lot, so maybe he only gets 20?
Ty gets 20 unless he magically develops a jump shot - then he has to get closer to 25-30.
So that means two guys from the KJ, Booth, Morez, DGL and White category get 20 minutes.
KJ has to get at least 15 - probably 20.
Morez gets 15.
So Booth, DGL and White get 10 minutes or less? that seems crazy.
I don't see how Davis sees the floor.
I think this will be a pretty good team. There will be serious competition for minutes.
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Last year's squad had six guys playing >20 min, typical for Underwoods teams. A couple of guys get 10 to 15 minutes.
So that's an eight man rotation. who on this squad gets them?
boswell and humrichous get 30 minutes each.
ivisch gets 25 because he's the only seven footer - but he may foul a lot, so maybe he only gets 20?
Ty gets 20 unless he magically develops a jump shot - then he has to get closer to 25-30.
So that means two guys from the KJ, Booth, Morez, DGL and White category get 20 minutes.
KJ has to get at least 15 - probably 20.
Morez gets 15.
So Booth, DGL and White get 10 minutes or less? that seems crazy.
I don't see how Davis sees the floor.
I think this will be a pretty good team. There will be serious competition for minutes.
Does a short bench hurt your team’s NCAA Tournament chances?
Can college basketball teams with short benches - like Villanova, UCLA, Baylor, and Kansas - succeed in the NCAA tournament?
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I bet even Brad has no idea how the minutes will shake out. I also bet he loves that.Few good teams have 9 or 10 player rotations (see article below).
Last year's squad had six guys playing >20 min, typical for Underwoods teams. A couple of guys get 10 to 15 minutes.
So that's an eight man rotation. who on this squad gets them?
boswell and humrichous get 30 minutes each.
ivisch gets 25 because he's the only seven footer - but he may foul a lot, so maybe he only gets 20?
Ty gets 20 unless he magically develops a jump shot - then he has to get closer to 25-30.
So that means two guys from the KJ, Booth, Morez, DGL and White category get 20 minutes.
KJ has to get at least 15 - probably 20.
Morez gets 15.
So Booth, DGL and White get 10 minutes or less? that seems crazy.
I don't see how Davis sees the floor.
I think this will be a pretty good team. There will be serious competition for minutes.
Does a short bench hurt your team’s NCAA Tournament chances?
Can college basketball teams with short benches - like Villanova, UCLA, Baylor, and Kansas - succeed in the NCAA tournament?
Fan Since '70
- OBS, Florida
No one knows for sure how well Tre will play though I expect a pleasant surprise out of him. We can only hope Ty has added outside shooting to his skills to become a more complete player. Having two really good players is better than one.
The lineup opportunites man.
Does anyone have a good idea of the defensive capabilities for many of these additions? Any of them known for their defensive work?
I hear all about the shooting, passing, court vision, and I'm excited about the offense next year with 10 capable rotation players that Brad should trust, but am curious what the defensive strategy will look like.
I hear all about the shooting, passing, court vision, and I'm excited about the offense next year with 10 capable rotation players that Brad should trust, but am curious what the defensive strategy will look like.
Minutes will be so dependent on how well certain guys play together too. I recall last season Dain was struggling to see the floor but during that period where he got hot he really gelled with Coleman and we saw more of them playing together upping his minutes. Also early there was great chemistry with Domask and Goode on the court together which solidified that duo more minutes together. I’m excited to see who plays well off of others especially with our passing ability this year!
I'm not expecting anyone individually or even as a team, to make up for TSJ and Coleman. Coleman had a great senior year. How many bigs could play almost 32 minutes/game and total 91 fouls for the season? TSJ was supremely effective at attacking the basket, and those players are rare. Even rarer --we've had two in a row in Ayo and TSJ. This team will be younger and likely take more time to put together. Hoping they look ok early, and very good late.
I’m more interested in defensive scheme. With Big T, run them off the three point line and force long twos (not at the rim) makes a lot of sense, but for the 15-20 minutes he’s not on the floor I’m not sure how much Tim protection we’d have.
I could also see us go to switch almost everything, but that’s going to be tough for an entirely new unit to pull off.
The best bet early in the season will be score more than the other guy and trust Brad and team to figure out a defensive scheme in time for March.
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I agree completely. And this may pose a threat to the poll position of @Fighter of the Nightman. BTW, I would love to see a hockey style 5 player rotation with Rodgers, Davis, White, Booth, and Johnson, then switch to Jakucionis, Gibbs-Lawhorn, Humrichous, Jakstys, and Ivisic. I bet the announcers just start using numbers. Audio would sound like the NHL, "Gibbs-Lawhorn crosses midcourt, to Jakstys, cross to Jakucionis, shot, rebound Ivisic, to Humrichous, SCOOORRRE!
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Are you talking about the basketball team or the posters on LOYALTY?
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
On the court or on the Loyalty board?
Well that's effing creepy!
DJRichardson4threee
IlliniGator2011
- Chicago, IL
So is KJ a shooting guard or a point guard? I just assumed he was a PG after seeing his gaudy assist numbers recently, but it appears he is listed as a shooting guard prospect. Do people think Boswell will have the ball in his hands more than KJ?
Lot to be excited about! I don't post a lot, so this will be all over the place; my apologies in advance LOL. Like many have noted the diversity of line-ups is INSANE. Maybe I'm just being optimistic but I also think our shooting will be better than it's been in a LONG time; I'd be curious if others more knowledgeable than myself can name a better shooting ILLINI team (on paper, although maybe when the season's done and it's not "on paper" it'll be easier). That is, of course, assuming they're taking relatively good looks, which I'm also super optimistic about having KJ and KB who both seem pass-first. They remind me a bit of Beilein's teams at UM with how they'll be able to space the floor and shoot it, but I'm not sure John's teams ever had the talent we will in the backcourt (with the exception of 2013 perhaps). There's going to be some good players not playing all that much, and that's an excellent motivator to keep pushing yourself, which ideally would create a positive feedback process where the whole team improves. Hope we can get Morez enough minutes to satisfy him, not sure if Booth and Davis will play much in the conference slate. Anyways kudos to Brad and the staff, they seem to get it done every year!
Projected Illinois basketball lineup with the addition of Kasparas Jakucionis
Illinois basketball needed more guard help for the 2024-25 season, and we received that help on Monday. With one of the final three scholarships, the Illini wer
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This guy writes some decent articles and I’ll often read his stuff after tough losses. But does this dude actually think that Ty Rodgers is still our PG and that KJ will come off the bench? Come on Woodcock
rbillini
- Redondo Beach, Ca
Since you have the time, could you look at the middle names and see if we can get those last three letters?
I'm not sure Rees Woodcock has ever written a decent article.Projected Illinois basketball lineup with the addition of Kasparas Jakucionis
Illinois basketball needed more guard help for the 2024-25 season, and we received that help on Monday. With one of the final three scholarships, the Illini wer
This guy writes some decent articles and I’ll often read his stuff after tough losses. But does this dude actually think that Ty Rodgers is still our PG and that KJ will come off the bench? Come on Woodcock
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