Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I feel when it comes to "promising" a starting role or playing time, the real stars...Johnson...Fears...Riley....players like that don't even think about it. Look at the team USA tryouts as an example for Morez and Fears...my guess is both expected to make it but nothing was handed to them. They busted their !!! and earned their spots. If Riley signs, my guess is he isn't worried about playing time. He would be one of our best players from day one!
 
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We're gonna get him on campus ... O has really, really worked this one ...

Kid is an ELITE level scorer ... Tough shot maker ...

I've had multiple coaches tell me that he reminds them of KD when he was coming out of HS ...
That's who I thought of when watching his clips. I think he might be even more skilled offensively than Durant at the same age. But not nearly as athletic or long-armed.

That said, I don't think we'll get him and if we happened to, I would have some worries.
 
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If he reclasses like many are speculating and gets added to our roster this year, what is our lineup? How do Rodgers and White fit into the fold given positional overlap? I’d imagine we wouldn’t be able to get Will Riley if we didn’t promise him a starting role / playing time.
PG KB and KJ
SG WR and DGL
SF TR and TW
PF BH and Carey Booth
C. TI and MJ
KJ can play at the SG spot as well WR can play SF TR can play PG and SG and TW can play some PF and SG as well
A lot of versatility depending on match ups and who has the hot hand
 
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That's who I thought of when watching his clips. I think he might be even more skilled offensively than Durant at the same age. But not nearly as athletic or long-armed.

That said, I don't think we'll get him and if we happened to, I would have some worries.
We need to not worry about players feelings if they are recruited over. Message is if you want playing time then earn it. We are trying to play on the same level with the elite programs. They don't bat an eye on taking a talent like riley and let things work itself out. That might piss some players off but the next 5* is right there waiting to join
 
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Will Riley is better than most people think. There should be no second thoughts about taking him if you can get him regardless of what class he is in.
We just said we think he’s the next KD - are you saying he’s better than that
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We need to not worry about players feelings if they are recruited over. Message is if you want playing time then earn it. We are trying to play on the same level with the elite programs. They don't bat an eye on taking a talent like riley and let things work itself out. That might piss some players off but the next 5* is right there waiting to join
My worries aren't just chemistry. Have you watched Riley's clips? As incredible as he is offensively, he hardly plays defense. And he's not a particularly good run/jump athlete, so even if motivated I'm not sure he'd be a strong defender. And defense IMO is a worry with next year's team. We'll very likely be a really good offensive team, but defense I'm not so certain about. Kylan, KJ, Hum, and Ivisic (all likely starters) don't look to me like strong defenders (I concede I've only seen Kylan extensively).

And chemistry is a very legitimate concern. Generally, I say get as much talent as you can, and let them compete (the Duke/Kentucky/UNC formula). But when we have only two guys returning, I think it's a concern.

That said, if BU & Co think adding Riley will work, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Do we really have the funds?
 
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Defense IMO is a worry with next year's team. We'll very likely be a really good offensive team, but defense I'm not so certain about. Kylan, KJ, Hum, and Ivisic (all likely starters) don't look to me like strong defenders (I concede I've only seen Kylan extensively).
I agree but, in today’s game great offense ok defense beats great defense good offense. And I honestly see this team being a great offense with Riley. Look at last years team.
 
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Which clips are you watching? Are those the most recent ones? He has improved. A lot.
You likely watch more than me, so I'll take your word for it. I've only seen a few Youtube clips and he didn't play much D nor did he look very explosive run-jump wise. For sure he's a unicorn as far as offensive skills.

It's almost comical how good his offensive skills are. Like "Is this kid really doing this?"
 
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My worries aren't just chemistry. Have you watched Riley's clips? As incredible as he is offensively, he hardly plays defense. And he's not a particularly good run/jump athlete, so even if motivated I'm not sure he'd be a strong defender. And defense IMO is a worry with next year's team. We'll very likely be a really good offensive team, but defense I'm not so certain about. Kylan, KJ, Hum, and Ivisic (all likely starters) don't look to me like strong defenders (I concede I've only seen Kylan extensively).

And chemistry is a very legitimate concern. Generally, I say get as much talent as you can, and let them compete (the Duke/Kentucky/UNC formula). But when we have only two guys returning, I think it's a concern.

That said, if BU & Co think adding Riley will work, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Do we really have the funds?

Easy message for those types of guys, you are always going to be able to get a bucket but your longevity at the next level is going to be based on being able to play defense too. BU seems to really preach that for guys wanting to go pro.
 
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My worries aren't just chemistry. Have you watched Riley's clips? As incredible as he is offensively, he hardly plays defense. And he's not a particularly good run/jump athlete, so even if motivated I'm not sure he'd be a strong defender. And defense IMO is a worry with next year's team. We'll very likely be a really good offensive team, but defense I'm not so certain about. Kylan, KJ, Hum, and Ivisic (all likely starters) don't look to me like strong defenders (I concede I've only seen Kylan extensively).

And chemistry is a very legitimate concern. Generally, I say get as much talent as you can, and let them compete (the Duke/Kentucky/UNC formula). But when we have only two guys returning, I think it's a concern.

That said, if BU & Co think adding Riley will work, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Do we really have the funds?
The highlights I have seen are OFFENSE highlights. With the exception of steals that lead to breakaways don't normally see much defense in highlights. All I know is favorably compared to KD? Yes please
 
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Is he set on reclassing to 2024?

If so,

PG: Kylan Boswell (6’2”) / Ty Rodgers (6’6”)
SG: Kasparas Jakucionis (6’6”) / Dra Gibbs-Lawhorn (6’1”)
SF: Tre White (6’7”) / Will Riley (6’8”)
PF: Ben Humrichous (6’9”) / Carey Booth (6’10”)
C: Tomislav Ivisic (7’1”) / Morez Johnson (6’9”)

Other/Redshirt: Jake Davis (6’6”), Jason Jakstys (6’10”)

This is good
Jakstys keeps getting shorter.
 
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You likely watch more than me, so I'll take your word for it. I've only seen a few Youtube clips and he didn't play much D nor did he look very explosive run-jump wise. For sure he's a unicorn as far as offensive skills.

It's almost comical how good his offensive skills are. Like "Is this kid really doing this?"
It's far, FAR too early to form any opinion about anybody's defense. Wait till Dec. and revisit that.
 
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There's debate on whether Illinois should take him and possibly displace one of the current guys on the roster.
Yeah I can see how this would be a concern, but if getting Riley is reasonably realistic, that’s obviously super tempting.

My guess would be Tre White would be the most likely to want out in that case, since he only has 2 years left. Is there a consensus that Riley would indeed be a clear upgrade over White for the 2024-25 season? He is so crazy skilled but he’d also be so young (re-classed) and inexperienced. (I guess he is still older than Kasparas, though, right? Maybe it’s not too big of a concern compared to his upside.)
 
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Yeah I can see how this would be a concern, but if getting Riley is reasonably realistic, that’s obviously super tempting.

My guess would be Tre White would be the most likely to want out in that case, since he only has 2 years left. Is there a consensus that Riley would indeed be a clear upgrade over White for the 2024-25 season? He is so crazy skilled but he’d also be so young (re-classed) and inexperienced. (I guess he is still older than Kasparas, though, right? Maybe it’s not too big of a concern compared to his upside.)
When you have the chance to bring in a player with a unique level of skill and talent like Will Riley, you do it. You don't wring your hands and worry about the details. If the players at Riley's position on our team have the bottle needed to win what we want to win, their first thought will be, "I'll fight for my place and win it." Not, "Where is the door?"
 
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Yeah I can see how this would be a concern, but if getting Riley is reasonably realistic, that’s obviously super tempting.

My guess would be Tre White would be the most likely to want out in that case, since he only has 2 years left. Is there a consensus that Riley would indeed be a clear upgrade over White for the 2024-25 season? He is so crazy skilled but he’d also be so young (re-classed) and inexperienced. (I guess he is still older than Kasparas, though, right? Maybe it’s not too big of a concern compared to his upside.)
If you bring in a 5 star kid and don't start him, don't expect to get another 5 star any time soon.
 
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If you bring in a 5 star kid and don't start him, don't expect to get another 5 star any time soon.
Nonsense. You start the players at every position who give you the best chance to win. That should have nothing to do with how many stars they earn as recruits. It should have everything to do with how well they are performing as members of the team currently. Marcus Liberty was our most hyped recruit ever. He didn't start for the 88-89 Illini team because there were better players ahead of him, and rightly so. Nothing should be different now. Five start players should not expect guarantees. They should expect a fair chance to earn the right to start.
 
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Easy message for those types of guys, you are always going to be able to get a bucket but your longevity at the next level is going to be based on being able to play defense too. BU seems to really preach that for guys wanting to go pro.
For all the narrative here about BU insisting on defense, I think he's actually more offense-oriented than most college ball coaches. Virtually all coaches are sticklers for defense to a certain degree (because a player's shot might not be "on" every day, but his defensive effort can be)

But your last point is valid -- if you want to play in the NBA, you'd better be able to play reasonably good defense.
 
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Nonsense. You start the players at every position who give you the best chance to win. That should have nothing to do with how many stars they earn as recruits. It should have everything to do with how well they are performing as members of the team currently. Marcus Liberty was our most hyped recruit ever. He didn't start for the 88-89 Illini team because there were better players ahead of him, and rightly so. Nothing should be different now.
Well it is. There are not many things that haven't changed in 35 years. No one, except Moses Malone, was one and done back then. Today's 5 star guys are all looking at being one and done. Harder to do that when you're not getting 30 mpg. Also, it's a completely different story when you're stepping into an experienced team that is national championship caliber, vs stepping into a team that has 2 returning players that combined for 9 ppg last season.

There's also the money component. People aren't going to pony up the money it takes to get a 5 star guy to see him get 20 mpg.

If Riley were to commit, and reclassify. Our starting lineup is Boswell, Jakucionis, Riley, Humrichous, Ivisic. Morez is first big off the bench, White or Rodgers first wing.
 
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