Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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How is this not like any other hot smoke the coaches blow at recruits? Adam Miller, Podz, Sincere, etc. They blow hot smoke to get commitments. Their job is to manage personalities.
Again it is false narrative to say we are building for the future when it's 100% clear scholarships and playing time is a 1 year contract either can back out of without notice.
Again, the previous weeks the insiders have said there can be more money if we need more money.
What is false with what I said?
Coaches need to manage personalities and playing time. Who will make the team better than Coleman?
Didn't year one of portal scabs kill the team chemistry? 1 year it works. 1 year it didn't. There is nothing that says this arrangement will have chemistry and nothing that says a bunch of nba prospects cant act like professionals because that is how Brad has said he treats them. So show up, work hard, and don't look at other people's paychecks.
All this supposition is just that. My argument is based on facts and precedent.
Assemble teams for current season. Everyone,coaches and players, blow hot smoke at each other about their potential future arrangements together.
Also I'll type like you...
Money
Talks,
Coleman
Is
Creating
A
Bidding
War
Again it is false narrative to say we are building for the future when it's 100% clear scholarships and playing time is a 1 year contract either can back out of without notice.
Again, the previous weeks the insiders have said there can be more money if we need more money.
What is false with what I said?
Coaches need to manage personalities and playing time. Who will make the team better than Coleman?
Didn't year one of portal scabs kill the team chemistry? 1 year it works. 1 year it didn't. There is nothing that says this arrangement will have chemistry and nothing that says a bunch of nba prospects cant act like professionals because that is how Brad has said he treats them. So show up, work hard, and don't look at other people's paychecks.
All this supposition is just that. My argument is based on facts and precedent.
Assemble teams for current season. Everyone,coaches and players, blow hot smoke at each other about their potential future arrangements together.
Also I'll type like you...
Money
Talks,
Coleman
Is
Creating
A
Bidding
War
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my 2 cents on Coleman:
1) By no means do I think he will be back in an Illini uniform & we may have made promises that stand in the way of him returning, but if their is any chance you need to run it to ground.
2) Maybe someone committed thinking Coleman was gone, maybe they committed on coaches saying he was gone, what current players think seems to matter to Coleman. Flush it out with the current roster, it will obviously cost someone some playing time, but maybe for a chance to improve the team everyone is ok with it. Maybe he takes some minutes at the 3, with Hummer/Ivisic/Morez at 4/5
3) If you aren't totally walking over the incoming players...take your best shot...maybe we don't have the NIL left, but adding him back would help a lot with leadership/continuity/experience; all of which are my biggest concerns for next year.
4) We are holding a spot for big impact player - I think for us Coleman would be as big as it gets
Yeah, I understand the odds are very small...but you still need to run it to ground
1) By no means do I think he will be back in an Illini uniform & we may have made promises that stand in the way of him returning, but if their is any chance you need to run it to ground.
2) Maybe someone committed thinking Coleman was gone, maybe they committed on coaches saying he was gone, what current players think seems to matter to Coleman. Flush it out with the current roster, it will obviously cost someone some playing time, but maybe for a chance to improve the team everyone is ok with it. Maybe he takes some minutes at the 3, with Hummer/Ivisic/Morez at 4/5
3) If you aren't totally walking over the incoming players...take your best shot...maybe we don't have the NIL left, but adding him back would help a lot with leadership/continuity/experience; all of which are my biggest concerns for next year.
4) We are holding a spot for big impact player - I think for us Coleman would be as big as it gets
Yeah, I understand the odds are very small...but you still need to run it to ground
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Amen, brother! I'm not sure what part about "Coleman doesn't want to play here next year" folks are having a hard time grasping. And that's OK. He's still a great Illini and I'll always love him.
Because it's not a purely dollars to dollars comparison. Every agent will tell you that the most important thing aspect of the second round is going to a team where you will be a good fit and get an opportunity to play into a second contract. And some 2nd rounders do get guaranteed deals similar to Ayo. It seems like this year's draft has more opportunities of the such than next year where you risk not getting a potential long-term opportunity at all. I'm not saying the NIL money is not the best play in the long run for some, but for several with NBA aspirations, latching on with an organization for a two-year deal that can blossom into a second contract seems to supersede an extra 600k in NIL money.
Yes, whatever it takes! If he doesn't suit up for us next year, it's a complete failure on the part of the coaches! No excuse for him to not play five years for us.
It’s true that anyone can leave at anytime; and goodness knows we’ve seen plenty of that. But at this point…what would you have the staff do in regards to CH? It’s over. It was apparently over before it ever started…
At some point the staff had to move on & decide which direction they were gonna go. They couldn’t wait forever to start building…
Few teams are enjoying a whole lot of continuity right now. But we have to keep trying to have a developmental component right? Maybe targeting some younger guys is a realization of that fact by the staff? Who wants to fill 10-12 roster spots EVERY year? Yikes. Maybe they think 2 years is the new 3 or 4 years. Maybe that’s partially why they took a stab at who they did
It’s great that you would rather ride with Coleman. But that undoubtedly wasn’t even an option. It sure sounds like there was more to it than just the bag
.I mean…
Coleman is cool but quirky. Brad is cool but quirky. I believe they genuinely cared about each other…but in some ways I’m surprised they made it as long as they did. Four years together is an accomplishment. Brad is a: decent, talented, intelligent, demanding, pain in the arse…and so is Coleman. That works okay when you’re on the same page. But apparently, they weren’t on the same page anymore. Sometimes things just end.
I like Coleman a lot and I’ll miss him. But 2 mil?? If that was what he wanted, I don’t blame DaddyBrad for not wanting to play that game. That’s ridiculous. (Things are going to have to course correct at some point.)The market rate for an individual can go to hell if you’re overpaying that much and sinking your chances of fielding a better overall team. Maybe that was a consideration? I dunno. This kind of rampant, runaway inflation has been bananas. And kinda hard to anticipate, no?
When Storr wanted half that from Kan$a$ they initially told him to piss up a rope. That was a what a few months ago? The whole thing is evolving by the minute…and it’s not $ustainable.
Joel Goodson
- dawgville
forty years from now we'll be telling our grandkids about the legend of Trollman
You're assuming it's all about the money. This is a 22 year old kid with the world on a string. There could be any number of reasons that Hawkins is choosing to move on. The following are all made up, but have a non-zero chance of being true:
1) All of his favorite teammates and best buds have moved on, and he doesn't want to be left behind with a bunch of new guys he's never met
2) He doesn't want to walk to classes in another Illinois winter
3) He had 2 different girlfriends in 2 different dorms. They found out about each other and will both be back in Champaign next year.
4) He's a huge football fan, and wants to experience the tailgating at a real football school.
5) He has a ton of parking tickets and knows his car will be towed if he moves back
Combo,
He told us two months ago that he loved u of i but was not going to return. at the same time he said he would not play for
any other big ten school, Kansas or Missouri. He gave Brad no choice but to move on. and he did. its done. call it what you want.
most of us understand he doesn't want to come back and we are both moving on. It was a great run. good luck to him.
He told us two months ago that he loved u of i but was not going to return. at the same time he said he would not play for
any other big ten school, Kansas or Missouri. He gave Brad no choice but to move on. and he did. its done. call it what you want.
most of us understand he doesn't want to come back and we are both moving on. It was a great run. good luck to him.
Is all the angst due to being so close but never winning at the school level or an overall lack of success of the entire state at the professional and amateur sporting ranks? (Excluding the 90s Bulls.) Or just the personality of people on message boards?
Don't you think the staff and Coleman havent long ago done exactly that? C'mon now.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
6) He has been at Illinois for four years, is 22, and would like a change of scene while making big $$$.
(1) and (6) alone are solid reasons to move on. I would if I were in his shoes, and I have great fondness for him as a player despite his infuriating, intermittent immaturity. He's an all-time Illini to me.
It’s true that anyone can leave at anytime; and goodness knows we’ve seen plenty of that. But at this point…what would you have the staff do in regards to CH? It’s over. It was apparently over before it ever started…
At some point the staff had to move on & decide which direction they were gonna go. They couldn’t wait forever to start building…
Few teams are enjoying a whole lot of continuity right now. But we have to keep trying to have a developmental component right? Maybe targeting some younger guys is a realization of that fact by the staff? Who wants to fill 10-12 roster spots EVERY year? Yikes. Maybe they think 2 years is the new 3 or 4 years. Maybe that’s partially why they took a stab at who they did
It’s great that you would rather ride with Coleman. But that undoubtedly wasn’t even an option. It sure sounds like there was more to it than just the bag
I mean…
Coleman is cool but quirky. Brad is cool but quirky. I believe they genuinely cared about each other…but in some ways I’m surprised they made it as long as they did. Four years together is an accomplishment. Brad is a: decent, talented, intelligent, demanding, pain in the arse…and so is Coleman. That works okay when you’re on the same page. But apparently, they weren’t on the same page anymore. Sometimes things just end.
I like Coleman a lot and I’ll miss him. But 2 mil?? If that was what he wanted, I don’t blame DaddyBrad for not wanting to play that game. That’s ridiculous. (Things are going to have to course correct at some point.)The market rate for an individual can go to hell if you’re overpaying that much and sinking your chances of fielding a better overall team. Maybe that was a consideration? I dunno. This kind of rampant, runaway inflation has been bananas. And kinda hard to anticipate, no?
When Storr wanted half that from Kan$a$ they initially told him to piss up a rope. That was a what a few months ago? The whole thing is evolving by the minute…and it’s not $ustainable.
It's likely not that complicated. At season's end, Coleman told BU he would likely not be back (hoping for NBA but w/ portal as back up). BU, as is his responsibility to the program, recruited with that in mind, adding four new frontcourt players (in addition to Morez joining us and Ty already here). It was done at that point. You can't re-wind the calendar.
If he really wanted 2 mil (which I'm extremely skeptical of), it would have been a waste on our part to pay it. We (like every program) have limited NLI and you have to use it wisely. We paid a substantial amount for 7 new guys over the last 6-8 weeks and IMO we did pretty well, covering just about every hole (though we don't have much guard depth).
No complaints about the way either Coleman or the coaching staff handled this.
Remember me?
Joel Goodson
- dawgville
for those not getting it:
that's a wrap. Coleman's dad is the antithesis of a crazy hoops parent. wish they were all like him
that's a wrap. Coleman's dad is the antithesis of a crazy hoops parent. wish they were all like him
My thought on the subject, not that anyone does or should care, is the there is a 80-20% chance that Coleman returning would lead to a destructive reduction in morale of next year's team.
These kids are not only new but also chomping at the bit to prove their stuff. The lineup is open and minutes up for grabs. Coleman would likely have to earn nothing in that regard and in spite of his humility and team first attitude, team morale would suffer. Or maybe my half century of competing at the state, national, and international level made my thoughts irrational...if so please ignore.
That said, I really like Coleman's game and how it will and is ready to be taken to the NBA and help a team become better. Now is not the time to run it back....go make some money CoHawk! I have immensely enjoyed Coleman's growth and program contributions over the past 4 years.
These kids are not only new but also chomping at the bit to prove their stuff. The lineup is open and minutes up for grabs. Coleman would likely have to earn nothing in that regard and in spite of his humility and team first attitude, team morale would suffer. Or maybe my half century of competing at the state, national, and international level made my thoughts irrational...if so please ignore.
That said, I really like Coleman's game and how it will and is ready to be taken to the NBA and help a team become better. Now is not the time to run it back....go make some money CoHawk! I have immensely enjoyed Coleman's growth and program contributions over the past 4 years.
No Ben in the starting 5? I doubt it.PG: Kylan
SG: Kasparas/DGL
SF: Riley, Tre, Ty - Lord knows who starts here...
PF: Ben/Booth
C: Tomislav/Morez
This could very well end up being our starting five this year...
And are we sure Riley's a sure shot one and done? Probably likely it goes that direction...but not sure if that's a "sure shot", so to speak...
This could be the lineup next year...
AKylan, Kasparas, Riley, Tre, Tomislav/Morez
The only downside might be that some guys might end up leaving - not happy with the minutes they got...
But just keep the main guys and things are nothing but AWESOME.
Just hope we are in good spot $$ wise for Riley. If that's not an issue, it seems like we're in a pretty good spot...?
Ya know, come to think of it…he did insist on wearing those damn yellow and black shoes for quite a while there.
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Yeah, after Kylan and KJ (who absent injury are virtual locks) Ben is the most likeliest guy to start. Unless we get Riley (which IMO is very unlikely) - that would throw a monkey wrench into predicting starters.
I literally said Ben is gonna be the starting PF?
Uhhhh...
Chances wise in terms of percentage - I'm not sure...
We might get him...might not...
but "very unlikely?" How?
We actually might be the frontrunners currently with the Jaxson Robinson news. The OA connection is very real here. Gonna get him on a visit.
The staff is very much into him - Piper says so too in addition to the insiders here.
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7) His girl friend transferred to Alabama
The signs have been there all along. I mean, his name is CoHAWK, after all.Ya know, come to think of it…he did insist on wearing those damn yellow and black shoes for quite a while there.
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