There's no light at the end of the tunnel either. All of this losing will still get them no higher than the 10th pick in the 2025 draft. Not that it would matter with Getz making the pick anyway.
Chicago White Sox 2024
Don't give up hope! Just remember... if the Sox win ALL of their remaining games they finish at .500!
And everyone will forget that the Sox record right now is 27-81!
You just can't beat fun at the Old Ball Park! Oh wait a minute... yes you can!...
Congratulations to (now former White Sox) Fedde and Pham who get out of town and head to St. Louis to play some meaningful baseball the rest of the year.
And to Kopech who goes to Dodgers to join a Pennant race.
Fedde and Pham were true professionals on the South Side. Though they played for one of the worst ball clubs in history... they played with energy and were true pros.
Kopech should thrive under the Dodger’s winning culture.
And to Kopech who goes to Dodgers to join a Pennant race.
Fedde and Pham were true professionals on the South Side. Though they played for one of the worst ball clubs in history... they played with energy and were true pros.
Kopech should thrive under the Dodger’s winning culture.
White Sox probably did merely OK in the 3-team trade. Vargas reminds me of Busch who Cubs got this year — a bit overrated as a prospect as LAD prospects often are. Hopefully. I’m wrong, but seems like he’ll be an average major leaguer. Perez is the more exciting prospect from my perspective. Could be a 20-25 HR second baseman. Hadn’t heard of Albertus prior to trade. Not seeing too much to get excited about. Still only 19 like Perez, so could certainly develop, but looks a utility man to me.
The Sox have as many blown saves as they do wins
Update Time, Sox Fans – White Sox History Watch
The 1932 Season for the White Sox is so far the worst single season for the franchise. Finishing 49-102 for a winning (?) percentage of .325.
Here’s how the 2024 White Sox compare to that dreadful 1932 team...
After 109 Games
1932 – 36 wins, 73 losses
2024 – 27 wins, 82 losses
So the current White Sox at this point in the Season are NINE GAMES WORSE than the worst Sox team of all time!
Way to go, 2024 Sox! Go (Lose) Big or Go Home!
And you great Sox fans who keep showing up on 35th Street for the games -- you have amazing strength, perseverance, or just like the food there a whole lot.
Honestly, the won-loss numbers in the next two months look like they will be some kind of epicly ugly.
The 1932 Season for the White Sox is so far the worst single season for the franchise. Finishing 49-102 for a winning (?) percentage of .325.
Here’s how the 2024 White Sox compare to that dreadful 1932 team...
After 109 Games
1932 – 36 wins, 73 losses
2024 – 27 wins, 82 losses
So the current White Sox at this point in the Season are NINE GAMES WORSE than the worst Sox team of all time!
Way to go, 2024 Sox! Go (Lose) Big or Go Home!
And you great Sox fans who keep showing up on 35th Street for the games -- you have amazing strength, perseverance, or just like the food there a whole lot.
Honestly, the won-loss numbers in the next two months look like they will be some kind of epicly ugly.
Eloy being traded to the Orioles. He’s their injury prone headache now.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
yea
was there any player in MLB who spent a higher percentage of time on the IL than him ?
Michael Kopech and Eloy Jimenez came to the White Sox as big-time ‘talented prospects’. And how are they leaving Chicago? As big-time disappointments. Some might call them... flops.
Yoan Moncada also came to the Sox as a high-level talent/prospect. He also has never delivered on that promise. He remains on the club – at least as far as being on the roster. Haven’t seen him in a Sox uniform for a good long while now.
Sox Nation got their hopes up when these guys came that they would help bring the club back to real contention. And once again... Sox Nation got nothing but disappointment as our reward.
And in the last couple days... Garrett Crochet completely screwed the Sox (and Sox fans) with his goofy public comments about how he wants to be used by any team that wants him and that he demands a contract extension. He basically made himself un-tradable and the Sox lost out on possible great young talent in return.
What have the Sox done for Crochet? Everything. They selected the guy in the draft. They brought him right to the Major Leagues. They supported him through his injuries. They made a starter out of him – a role in which Crochet has prospered. And how did he repay the Sox for making his way up as a top MLB starting pitcher? By spoiling the waters in terms of making a big deal and insuring that he remains on what is right now an awful ball club. How exactly does that help him?
Crochet is talented and may have a great future ahead. Maybe that will even be with Sox for many years. But Garrett? What you did was not cool. You could have gone to the Dodgers or Braves and been with a real contender right now if you had used better judgment. Do you like losing for Reinsdorf that much? Sox fans deserve an apology (that we won’t get).
And Robert Jr. is still on the Sox? He’s a great talent with still a big up-side. But the Sox couldn’t find a deal to allow Robert to get with a contender right now with the Sox getting talent back? How is having Robert on a losing ball club helping him or the White Sox organization?
Yet another embarrassing chapter in the sordid history of the Sox in the past 40 years. All these happenings taken together as a group? Just about the worst outcome that could happen the past four years.
The White Sox... and Sox players... just keep on embarrassing themselves.
And the best baseball fans in Chicago deserve much, much better than this.
Yoan Moncada also came to the Sox as a high-level talent/prospect. He also has never delivered on that promise. He remains on the club – at least as far as being on the roster. Haven’t seen him in a Sox uniform for a good long while now.
Sox Nation got their hopes up when these guys came that they would help bring the club back to real contention. And once again... Sox Nation got nothing but disappointment as our reward.
And in the last couple days... Garrett Crochet completely screwed the Sox (and Sox fans) with his goofy public comments about how he wants to be used by any team that wants him and that he demands a contract extension. He basically made himself un-tradable and the Sox lost out on possible great young talent in return.
What have the Sox done for Crochet? Everything. They selected the guy in the draft. They brought him right to the Major Leagues. They supported him through his injuries. They made a starter out of him – a role in which Crochet has prospered. And how did he repay the Sox for making his way up as a top MLB starting pitcher? By spoiling the waters in terms of making a big deal and insuring that he remains on what is right now an awful ball club. How exactly does that help him?
Crochet is talented and may have a great future ahead. Maybe that will even be with Sox for many years. But Garrett? What you did was not cool. You could have gone to the Dodgers or Braves and been with a real contender right now if you had used better judgment. Do you like losing for Reinsdorf that much? Sox fans deserve an apology (that we won’t get).
And Robert Jr. is still on the Sox? He’s a great talent with still a big up-side. But the Sox couldn’t find a deal to allow Robert to get with a contender right now with the Sox getting talent back? How is having Robert on a losing ball club helping him or the White Sox organization?
Yet another embarrassing chapter in the sordid history of the Sox in the past 40 years. All these happenings taken together as a group? Just about the worst outcome that could happen the past four years.
The White Sox... and Sox players... just keep on embarrassing themselves.
And the best baseball fans in Chicago deserve much, much better than this.
Qualified “like”. Robert Jr. definitely has the talent and tools, but has never really shown the “fire” needed to be great. His approach to hitting is a mystery that could probably be solved with the proper coaching and discipline (both of which this team sadly lacks).
splitter
- and not Nebraska
Totally agree there has been no 'fire' but there has been smoke. And where there is smoke .... Kind of hard to be fired up about the Sox as a fan so it must be frustrating for players to try to put effort into meaningless games. But they are professional Major-leaguers. Still a Chicago White Sox fan and will always continue to be.
What a whiny crock. Yeah, pretty sure we’re the only team to have “talented prospects” not pan out. And now you’re mad that Crochet “poisoned the pool” so Sox couldn’t bring in more talented prospects.
I didn’t like Crochet’s comments either, but can’t say I blame him all that much. He is looking out for his health and career. He owes the Sox something cuz they drafted him? He was picked #11 in first round. It’s not like Sox pulled him off the trash heap and saved his career and him from not being drafted. And they supported him through injury? You mean, again, doing what every team would do with a highly rated former first round pick? But from your twisted perspective he owes Sox fans an apology for looking out for himself. Well at least you were able to let us know once again (and again and again and again . . .) that you don’t like Reinsdorf.
As to Robert, Jr., I was surprised to see him not traded, but something I read yesterday makes me wonder if it is not for the best. A writer/analyst of baseball prospects that I respect wrote that with all the trades made at deadline and despite being a sellers market, only one of his top 100 prospects changed hands. Unless you’re talking about a team’s top 5 prospects (for some teams maybe top 10), it becomes a real crapshoot whether kid will even make majors, let alone be a solid or better contributor. If they couldn’t get real talent back for Robert, you don’t trade him now. And even players among teams’ top 5 prospects aren’t guaranteed for success as we Sox fan know.
In 2019, Sox had 6 prospects in top 100. In order from their #1 were: the fore mentioned Eloy and Kopech, Dylan Cease, Robert Jr, Nick Madrigal and Dave Dunning. Want to know who were #7 and #8 prospects that year? Luis Alexander Basabee and Micker Adolfo. If one answered who to those names, they’re not alone. So many doubt the ability of Sox management, yet they also seem certain Sox would have got the right pieces back for Robert and/or Crochet to start the turnaround? I already mentioned if the rumored return for Crochet from LAD was best Sox could do then they were probably better off keeping him. Can still trade him and Robert in off season.
It’s often tough to be a Sox fan no doubt. Sometimes really tough. Not sure where “deserve” better enters into it tough. But I hope better comes sooner than later.
I didn’t like Crochet’s comments either, but can’t say I blame him all that much. He is looking out for his health and career. He owes the Sox something cuz they drafted him? He was picked #11 in first round. It’s not like Sox pulled him off the trash heap and saved his career and him from not being drafted. And they supported him through injury? You mean, again, doing what every team would do with a highly rated former first round pick? But from your twisted perspective he owes Sox fans an apology for looking out for himself. Well at least you were able to let us know once again (and again and again and again . . .) that you don’t like Reinsdorf.
As to Robert, Jr., I was surprised to see him not traded, but something I read yesterday makes me wonder if it is not for the best. A writer/analyst of baseball prospects that I respect wrote that with all the trades made at deadline and despite being a sellers market, only one of his top 100 prospects changed hands. Unless you’re talking about a team’s top 5 prospects (for some teams maybe top 10), it becomes a real crapshoot whether kid will even make majors, let alone be a solid or better contributor. If they couldn’t get real talent back for Robert, you don’t trade him now. And even players among teams’ top 5 prospects aren’t guaranteed for success as we Sox fan know.
In 2019, Sox had 6 prospects in top 100. In order from their #1 were: the fore mentioned Eloy and Kopech, Dylan Cease, Robert Jr, Nick Madrigal and Dave Dunning. Want to know who were #7 and #8 prospects that year? Luis Alexander Basabee and Micker Adolfo. If one answered who to those names, they’re not alone. So many doubt the ability of Sox management, yet they also seem certain Sox would have got the right pieces back for Robert and/or Crochet to start the turnaround? I already mentioned if the rumored return for Crochet from LAD was best Sox could do then they were probably better off keeping him. Can still trade him and Robert in off season.
It’s often tough to be a Sox fan no doubt. Sometimes really tough. Not sure where “deserve” better enters into it tough. But I hope better comes sooner than later.
Agree about the smoke His injury history has been frustrating, but in the only year he’s come close to a full season he put up impressive numbers and finished 12th in MVP voting. He’s still only 26 or 27. I expected him to be traded, but maybe works out best for Sox that they didn’t.
It's fine that he's looking out for his career. He should. But there is professional way to voice your concerns -- and a time and place to do that. What Crochet did was not being professional as it was neither the time nor place to that. If he wants to voice these things then he should only have done that privately and not in front of the whole Baseball World when the Sox where in the middle of intense trade talks.
What does he owe the Sox? To know when and where to do certain things. Which he did not do in this instance.
I still like the guy... but he has diminished himself by how he went about this.
We all choose the teams that we favor. That's on us. But the teams we favor have to respect our fandom and loyality to be fair to us... it's customers. Which the current Sox regime for the past 40 years has not done.
We don't have to stop being fans of any team... because the franchise is bigger than any one owner or management. There was a White Sox before The Owner Today and there will be a White Sox after him. We just have to hope that we still have a team in Chicago and not in Tennessee to root for.
Or maybe Crochet is hoping the Sox do move to Tennessee?
Crochet had certain things he wanted that he felt were important to his health, career and financial well-being. He had no assurances the White Sox would tell possible trade partners of these things if he had only voiced them in private to management. If they hadn’t, he gets off on the wrong foot with his new team when he tells them of demands that he would have assumed they knew about already. So he made sure that didn’t happen by going public. Unfortunate for Sox, but pretty smart on his part to protect himself.
Heck Crochet might have done the Sox a favor. He is arguably a top 10 SP and maybe higher. His numbers since Paul Skenes debuted are pretty similar. As I’ve said, the one supposed offer for him I saw I thought was underwhelming. Even if they had gotten a better offer like several top 100 prospects, as you said prospects don’t always pan out. How happy would you be if Sox had gotten a return equal to Eloy, Madrigal and Dunning in 2019 (all top 100 prospects). Yep they turned out to be franchise changers. Sox can still trade him in off season and likely get a package similar or possibly better than they were offered now. And Crochet now knows any new team he might be dealt to knows his expectations.
Nobody likes Reinsdorf. Heck most people don’t like any of the owners of the major Chicago sports franchises. I just find your constant reminding us of your dislike for him tiresome. But I’m sure we’ll hear more about it in your posts about the Sox’ record even though you advocated for trading anyone of any value on team. For the record, not saying Sox shouldn’t have made the trades they did or more. It was the right thing to do.
But what is more tiresome is that 'He' is the one single man on this Earth responsible for the deplorable condition of this franchise. He has been there for over forty years. The players come and go. The executives come and go. The broadcasters come and go. He is the one Owner on this Planet who has failed Sox fans and who is directly the cause of this Sox year which is painful and embarassing. He sets the tone. He does the hiring. He sets the budget. And he hauls in the big bucks that MLB brings in. And he personally owns this entire year of utter failure. It's impossible to talk honestly about the White Sox without putting this man squarely in the middle of whatever one cares to mention about the Sox. It all leads back to him.
I come from a family of generational Sox fans who know when the Sox were a great and winning franchise from the early '50s to 1967. And if you think I over do it... you should hear what my elders (and others from that time period) have to say about Sox Ownership today. They remember Bill Veeck -- a true baseball man who cared about Sox fans. And he saved the Sox from leaving Chicago. Younger Sox fans have no idea how good he was for this franchise. The Sox would be in Milwaukee or Seattle right now if not for Veeck.
While another Owner today seems to be doing everything to see that the team does move away. How can anyone have faith that he will do right by the Team and the City? If one was trying to ruin a team in a market... he's doing just about everything you could to do this.
I will be very happy to see him prove me a liar. Please, Mr. Owner... show us how much you care. Show me I'm wrong. I'll be happy to apologize.
If your family of Sox fans remembers when they “were a great and winning franchise from the early '50s to 1967” then I’m sure they remember when they weren’t great or winning much (only 2 winning seasons in 13) from 1968 until Reinsdorf purchased team. I’m sure they also remember that the Sox in Reinsdorf’s 3rd year of ownership made the playoffs for the first time since 1959.
Then there is that 2005 season when the Sox won their first World Series since 1917 and had highest winning percentage since 1920. Since you label Reinsdorf as “the one single man on this Earth responsible for the deplorable condition of this franchise,” I can only assume you give him sole responsibility for bringing that title to Chicago right?
Like I said, I don’t like Reinsdorf and would love to see him sell the Sox — just like most if not all Sox fans. I just don’t feel the pathological need to express that in every post I make about the White Sox. Yes, White Sox have only had 7 .500 or better seasons since the WS team. But 3 of those were just prior to last year’s terrible season, and twice in those years they were in the playoffs.
As to this year’s debacle, yes he deserves plenty of credit, but equally to blame is the movement in baseball (and in all major sports really) to tear down your team when losing and sell off most of your decent or better players for prospects (or draft picks in other sports) — further hastening the “deplorable condition of the franchise.” Not sure your thoughts on trading Cease this off season, but you’ve been “vocal” on here advocating for the Sox to run with this strategy this season at the trade deadline. I assume that is because you think it is a viable strategy to quicken a turnaround. Or maybe I’m wrong and it is because you feel that approach will help ensure a franchise worst season that bolsters your narrative of Reinsdorf being the devil incarnate.
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Wishful thinking…
The truth is that I have no feeling about The Owner personally one way or the other. I don’t wish ill on any other human being. Why should I?
The only thing I intensely dislike is that he has not run this franchise like a Big Three Market baseball franchise for the entire time of his ownership. And his embedded disregard for Sox fans in general. That’s the only thing I care about related to this man. He bought the Sox with the intention of personal profit and building a media income source. Not out of love for Chicago because his heart is in New York City. He really wanted to buy into the Mets according to media reports.
I get that you don’t like my pointing out his failures – or that I do this too frequently for your particular taste. That’s fine and your right to do so. But it is also my right as a fan on this forum to express myself as to what I see as the truth of why the Sox have been a failed franchise since he owned them. You are free not to read my posts, of course. And if I am out of line, the Forum Overseer will take care of that.
Yes, we all love that one year that he and we got lucky and the Sox took us to the promised land. But the few years that the Sox had of near-misses under his leadership just don’t quench Sox Nation’s thirst. Falling short is still falling short.
I personally liked all the top guys the Sox traded in the last two seasons. But keeping them around was not going to get the Sox to contention. Trading Crochet and Robert Jr. right now would have been the right thing to do because as the Sox losing culture continues into next season they will hurt their own trade value in the future. As well as possibly their own careers which could flourish in a winning culture.
I am more concerned about the long-term future of the franchise in Chicago. Maybe others have faith in what Sox Ownership will do – but to this point all they’ve done is telegraph an interest in moving to Tennessee (or somewhere) or demanding Illinois taxpayers fund a new stadium (again) for The Owner. Both of these moves show more of a self-interest for him instead of runing a business that serves as a civic gathering space for a World Class City the right way. And not just any business but one in which millions of fans invest their time and money and interest.
There are only two strories now for the next two months. How many will the Sox actually lose... and who what it that put the Sox where they are right now.
Or maybe a third story about how many Sox fans dislike the TV play-by-play guy. He’s no Vin Scully... but he’s been getting too much of a bad rap. He’s got a difficult job trying to make a lousy ballclub sound interesting every day. I give him credit for trying.
Which seems more than some guys around the Sox are doing.
splitter
- and not Nebraska
Jerry is the Chairman and not the only owner, but he is chairman for life unless Jerry decides differently. He needs to pay off the debt owed on the Rate and get the 78-project going with mostly private funding. That would keep the Sox in Chicago and be Jerry's legacy. The 78 plans and those of redoing the Rate site are amazing. Firing Pedro and Getz or trading this player and that one or not doesn't matter if there is a move to Nashville. Jerry get this going before the Sox are good enough to be in contention. There is nothing really bad about the current park, it is just not Chicago worthy. Neither is losing 100+ games.