Chicago White Sox 2024

#301      
Kinkyfish
Why??????….. do we keep hearing from Sizemore, and Pedro how this team of players “plays hard every game”….”I am proud of these players and how they are going about their business”?
C’mon man…..they are the suckiest team ever….how about a little “we suck and the players are just not getting it done”?
This really blows!!!!!
 
#302      
Roundball Sage
Kinkyfish said:
Why??????….. do we keep hearing from Sizemore, and Pedro how this team of players “plays hard every game”….”I am proud of these players and how they are going about their business”?
C’mon man…..they are the suckiest team ever….how about a little “we suck and the players are just not getting it done”?
This really blows!!!!!
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He has to say these things. This is how Managers have to pretend that their team is better than they really are... and to keep Ownership from getting mad at them for telling something truthful. Can’t have that.

Everyone can plainly see how bad this team is. Sox Ownership has done a magnificent job of creating a civic embarassment and fully disrespecting White Sox fans of all ages.

As for the History Watch...

The White Sox Season is now about 23 weeks old.

Sox have won 31 games. That works out to about 1.3 wins per week.

(The next ‘worst’ teams to the Sox this year in MLB have 51 wins (Colorado, Miami) - 20 more than Sox!).

Sox have four weeks left in the season. At 1.3 wins per week that works out to (being generous) 6 more wins for the season. Sox would finish at 37 wins for the season (with 125 losses).

1916 Philadelphia A’s won 36 and lost 117 (the White Sox were 89-65 that year).

1962 New York Mets won 40 and lost 120 (the White Sox were 85-77 that year).

Will the Sox even win those 6 more games this month? Maybe, if the opposition just has six bad days in them.

It's hard to imagine that any professional franchise could devolve to a level like this -- in any sport, anywhere.
 
#304      
Roundball Sage
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
White Sox gonna White Sox:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831114042548637936
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The White Sox running into each other in left field is a symbol of the entire franchise – lack of communication... lack of someone taking charge... lack of basic talent... lack of direction. The Season in a nutshell.

This once-proud franchise continues to embarrass itself in new ways every day.

They have become so bad that you almost have to feel sorry for these players. But I feel more sorry for us Sox fans. The players are making good money for this. We are not.
 
#308      
Roundball Sage
White Sox players are going to be remembered for being part of this historically-losing team for the rest of their careers -- and well after their playing days when they retire. This will become part of their biographies and career notable marks. But White Sox Ownership is going to be remembered for this Season even more. For this is where things all started for the collapse seen this season. Bad decisions after bad decisions for years.

How did things go bad so fast for the Sox today? Abreu (Team Leader) gone. Anderson (Team Energy) gone. Giolito gone. Cease gone. Jiminez gone. Lopez gone. Kopech gone. That's the heart of your team and what was seen as the future. No adequate replacements ready to move right in and on to the playing field for Sox. Poor choices of Managers to hire. Ran off a popular Sox TV announcer who was smart to leave town before this Season started. Now only yes-men who aren't allowed to be honest about what any fan can see right in front of their face every game. Shopping at the bargain-basement floor to get players... or kids out of the Minors not ready for prime time.

When the Sox were horrible back in 1970 they quickly made changes and turned things around the following Season by winning 23 more games in 1971 and then 8 more beyond that in 1972 (for 87 wins). So in two years after 1970 Sox got 31 more victories per season over the 1970 season.

This was all pre-Reinsdorf. Different leaders back then. The energy quickly returned to the team... and to the Sox fan base. The Sox organization had momentum going but lacked the money they needed to keep on building on that.

Today the Sox have an owner with lots and lots of money. Which he won't spend. Sox fans are discouraged once again and the energy is gone. And there doesn't seem to be a big push to get that stadium deal done right now in a Bears Town.

And if Crochet and Robert are traded away in the off-season... the Sox might lose even more games next Season than this year.

Hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel right now. But... one single White Sox victory is still worth more than all the other teams wins put together (for we in Sox Nation).

Even if next Season the Sox do only win -- one! (Which might happen!?).
 
#309      
Roundball Sage
Update – White Sox History Watch

The 1932 Season for the White Sox is so far the worst total single season for the franchise. Finishing 49-102 for a winning (?) percentage of .325.

Here’s how the 2024 White Sox compare to that dreadful 1932 team...

After 147 Games

1932 – 47 wins, 100 losses

2024 – 33 wins, 114 losses

So the current White Sox at this point in the Season are 14 GAMES WORSE than the worst Sox team of all time.

In Happier Times...

1959 – 90 wins, 57 losses

2005 – 89 wins, 58 losses

The 2024 White Sox Season truly is one for the Ages...
 
#310      
gibb52
I am not a Sox fan (Cardinals) but I hope the Sox FO got a nice collection of prospects in exchange for all the players they traded. If so the pain won't last too long.
 
#311      
Roundball Sage
The geniuses running the White Sox are apparently complaining that revenue for the franchise is down this year because of low home attendance and they will have to cut payroll (!). Hmmm... Let’s unpack that grand nugget stream of corporate wisdom a bit.

If revenue and attendance are down this year it’s because the franchise (deliberately) put a garbage team on the field that loses games all the time and people don’t want to use what’s left of their grocery money to watch that. But are the Sox geniuses trying to blame Sox fans for their own financial shortcomings?

Next, if Sox geniuses cut payroll from this season before next season that means even less talent may be the result for next season which means...

Lots more losing...

Even fewer fans showing up...

Even bigger financial losses...

Further alienating Chicago fans from the White Sox franchise (which could be the Master Plan anyway?)

And...

Maybe lots of calls from Sox geniuses in the off-season to big-deep-pocket-Nashville Cats?

Watch to see if the Sox start playing way more country music during Sox games at the park and on the television.

And if the Sox begin to charge Sox fans to leave the park to go home at night while trying to forget watching another sad loss.
 
#312      
SeattleSlim
Roundball Sage said:
The geniuses running the White Sox are apparently complaining that revenue for the franchise is down this year because of low home attendance and they will have to cut payroll (!). Hmmm... Let’s unpack that grand nugget stream of corporate wisdom a bit.

If revenue and attendance are down this year it’s because the franchise (deliberately) put a garbage team on the field that loses games all the time and people don’t want to use what’s left of their grocery money to watch that. But are the Sox geniuses trying to blame Sox fans for their own financial shortcomings?

Next, if Sox geniuses cut payroll from this season before next season that means even less talent may be the result for next season which means...

Lots more losing...

Even fewer fans showing up...

Even bigger financial losses...

Further alienating Chicago fans from the White Sox franchise (which could be the Master Plan anyway?)

And...

Maybe lots of calls from Sox geniuses in the off-season to big-deep-pocket-Nashville Cats?

Watch to see if the Sox start playing way more country music during Sox games at the park and on the television.

And if the Sox begin to charge Sox fans to leave the park to go home at night while trying to forget watching another sad loss.
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But, … how do you really feel?
 
#313      
EyeoftheIllini
SeattleSlim said:
But, … how do you really feel?
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What amazes me is that someone can advocate for trading two of the more talented players on roster (Crochet and Robert) at trade deadline and then when that didn’t happen suggest not playing either for rest of year to avoid injury, and then complain about lack of talent on field and the mounting losses.

Even if attendance was good, I’d still expect payroll to be down next year. Does tend to happen when rebuilding; and trading Robert — which I expect them to do and probably should — will almost ensure that. Next year isn’t going to be good either. Just have to hope it isn’t as bad as this year and we see some glimpses of progress. First big step will be hiring the manager. If they can get a guy who can work with and relate to younger players, it will be a nice start. Though not sure I have much confidence in that happening. Hope springs eternal though right?
 
#314      
splitter
They must be wondering why attendance is down because the team has a good chance to break an all-time record. If there is a move to Nashville, we may get an expansion team with a chance to break the 2024 record.
Why am i assuming that an expansion team would be worse?
 
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#316      
Roundball Sage
splitter said:
If there is a move to Nashville, we may get an expansion team with a chance to break the 2024 record.
Why am i assuming that an expansion team would be worse?
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Two things are working against an expansion team to replace the Sox. First, the uncertainly about funding a new stadium -- especially with the Bears already working on that. And second... new owners would know they are fighting uphill against the City's and Media's heavily favoring the North Siders (as they have since the 1970s). Maybe there is someone with money willing to take that challenge on. But fresher market cities like Austin and Salt Lake City and Portland and Montreal might have way more appeal for the money guys.

If the Sox ever left it could leave Chicago to be like St. Louis and Philadelphia and Boston -- one team only.

And the overall financial condition of the City does not make Chicago look like a healthy market to the outside World.

It's a damn shame that Sox fans have to be put in this position. Powerless... and just hoping for a good outcome.
 
#317      
Mr. Tibbs
it is very very doubtful Chicago would ever get an expansion team if the Sox left
 
#318      
Illinicpa14
Roundball Sage said:
White Sox players are going to be remembered for being part of this historically-losing team for the rest of their careers -- and well after their playing days when they retire. This will become part of their biographies and career notable marks. But White Sox Ownership is going to be remembered for this Season even more. For this is where things all started for the collapse seen this season. Bad decisions after bad decisions for years.

How did things go bad so fast for the Sox today? Abreu (Team Leader) gone. Anderson (Team Energy) gone. Giolito gone. Cease gone. Jiminez gone. Lopez gone. Kopech gone. That's the heart of your team and what was seen as the future. No adequate replacements ready to move right in and on to the playing field for Sox. Poor choices of Managers to hire. Ran off a popular Sox TV announcer who was smart to leave town before this Season started. Now only yes-men who aren't allowed to be honest about what any fan can see right in front of their face every game. Shopping at the bargain-basement floor to get players... or kids out of the Minors not ready for prime time.

When the Sox were horrible back in 1970 they quickly made changes and turned things around the following Season by winning 23 more games in 1971 and then 8 more beyond that in 1972 (for 87 wins). So in two years after 1970 Sox got 31 more victories per season over the 1970 season.

This was all pre-Reinsdorf. Different leaders back then. The energy quickly returned to the team... and to the Sox fan base. The Sox organization had momentum going but lacked the money they needed to keep on building on that.

Today the Sox have an owner with lots and lots of money. Which he won't spend. Sox fans are discouraged once again and the energy is gone. And there doesn't seem to be a big push to get that stadium deal done right now in a Bears Town.

And if Crochet and Robert are traded away in the off-season... the Sox might lose even more games next Season than this year.

Hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel right now. But... one single White Sox victory is still worth more than all the other teams wins put together (for we in Sox Nation).

Even if next Season the Sox do only win -- one! (Which might happen!?).
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The team they put on the field even to start the year just didn’t have close to enough major league caliber players.

Forget the guys you listed as gone as it’s own item - it’s the next tier of guys on the team gone (think the Aaron bummers of the world that at least were major league caliber players). Instead, it’s stocked with AAA journeymen players mostly without ceilings.
 
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