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I must be seeing something in Dalton Knecht that isn't really there. He seemed like a top-5 talent to me.
He's going to be a 17 to 20pt - 7 rebound guy. Very good. Just like Shannon, plug and play in the NBA and older. Perfect for the Lakers. Perfect for any team needing a solid contributor right now.

The thing that I dont understand about the NBA is that Shannon and Knecht were picked super late in the first round, will be better than OG Anunoby and he is getting $40 million a year for 14pt, 4reb, 2ast a night. For a league willing to risk it all on a child in the draft lottery, they sure are willing to pay big for mediocre win now players.
 
#327      
I get why they do it, but like a lot of other casual pro BB fans (I don't watch the NBA) I don't get it either. TSJ is 23. You aren't going to compete until he's 30? If that's the case you need a new GM. A guy that help you establish a culture now and be a leader 3-4 yrs from now when your time to shine comes is to me more sensible than a 19 yo that may be great but might wash out.
NBA is a star driven league - you need multiple all stars to compete and typically a top 5-10 guy. So if you’re bad, the idea is you draft as many high upside, lotto tickets hoping a few hit. You can always supplement your roster once you’re good with a guy like TSJ or exactly what the wolves did late in the first.

So unless you think TSJ is destined to be an allstar (it happens by those are exceptions), you’re better off taking the upside, even if it’s unlikely to actually hit.
 
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jjv0004

Greenville, SC
I'd have gone with Topic, but I like the pick. Very glad it wasn't Knecht.
Congrats to TSJ first!!! Very happy for the kid. Curious to see how he gets his points in the NBA.

Super bummed with the Bulls pick. 27% from 3 and 68% from the line and 2.1 turnovers to 1.9 assists. I don't really like the pick but I am not the GM so it doesn't matter. I would have absolutely taken Knecht. Great athlete that shot 40% from 3. I dont' care that he is 23 years old. He is better than Buzelis right now and probably will always be a better player.
 
#332      
I'd bet a lot of money that TSJ has a better career than AJ Johnson.

How tf are these bums getting drafted in the 1st. Johnson averaged 2 ppg and barely played for an Australian team.
 
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chiefini

Rockford, Illinois
I also thought it was nice that Gary Parrish openly said that the rape charge is behind him and that the public has no reason to think he’s anything other than innocent
Too little, too late from Parrish. Does not make up for his season long national disparagement of Terrence, which helped damage TSJ as an All-American and Illinois‘ basketball coaches and program immeasurably.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I dont' care that he is 23 years old. He is better than Buzelis right now and probably will always be a better player.
He's absolutely better than Buzelis right now, that's true.

But when Knecht was Buzelis' age, he averaged 13.3 PPG at Northeastern Colorado Junior College. Buzelis was playing in the G-League against adults who were all college stars, the G-League is a MUCH higher level of play than high-major college basketball, let alone a Colorado Juco. And Buzelis is bigger, longer, and much more fluid and explosive athletically than Knecht, his raw tool set is objectively higher.

It's possible Buzelis' development stalls out and he never reaches Knecht's level. But that's not the likeliest outcome. Think of how high the expectations would be if Buzelis were going to Tennessee next year, and think what it would look like if he spent four years there.

As a guy who can't guard and can't distribute and who doesn't have the development runway left to really change either of those things, Knecht is already pretty much maxxed out as an offensively helpful rotation guy. He can play in the league (unlike Edey) and I see why he appealed to the Lakers. 17 isn't an unreasonable place to take him in a bad draft. But taking Buzelis over him is an easy decision, especially given the Bulls need for youth and upside.

I would have been volcanically furious if they'd passed on Buzelis and Topic to take Knecht.

I also thought it was nice that Gary Parrish openly said that the rape charge is behind him and that the public has no reason to think he’s anything other than innocent
Just to give voice to it, I understand and respect people's desire to have headlines and discussions everywhere about the outcome of the trial and TSJ having been exonerated. My personal preference is much more to have the matter put to bed and to have the focus be on basketball where it always should have been.

We're so lucky to have gotten TSJ's contributions last year under the circumstances, and in the end he got the professional future he always deserved. That's where I am inclined to focus, though I can understand people's desire to continue litigating over their sense of injustice about the whole thing.

I'd rather have the charges as a forgotten footnote of our glorious 2023-24 campaign, and for me what Illini Nation won in that Kansas courthouse was the right to have it all be a forgotten footnote.
 
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Loyalillini10

Urbana, IL
I must be seeing something in Dalton Knecht that isn't really there. He seemed like a top-5 talent to me.
I think maybe you do. Knecht is a very similar player to TSJ. The only thing Knecht did better than Shannon was hit is 3-pointers at a higher clip. TSJ is better in every other aspect of the game. The only reason I am bringing up TSJ is because of how similar they are and how much they have been compared to one another. As a somewhat unnecessary sidenote, one could argue if Shannon didn't have the suspension which led to a horrific 3-pt drought when he first returned, he could've also produced a 40ish% 3-pt average.
 
#337      
I think maybe you do. Knecht is a very similar player to TSJ. The only thing Knecht did better than Shannon was hit is 3-pointers at a higher clip. TSJ is better in every other aspect of the game. The only reason I am bringing up TSJ is because of how similar they are and how much they have been compared to one another. As a somewhat unnecessary side-note, one could argue if Shannon didn't have the suspension which led to a horrific 3-pt drought when he first returned, he could've also produced a 40ish% 3-pt average.
Side-side-note, I'm still amazed TSJ set the single season scoring record while missing six games. Just imagine the numbers...
 
#338      
I think maybe you do. Knecht is a very similar player to TSJ. The only thing Knecht did better than Shannon was hit is 3-pointers at a higher clip. TSJ is better in every other aspect of the game. The only reason I am bringing up TSJ is because of how similar they are and how much they have been compared to one another. As a somewhat unnecessary sidenote, one could argue if Shannon didn't have the suspension which led to a horrific 3-pt drought when he first returned, he could've also produced a 40ish% 3-pt average.
I like Knecht better. His shot is better. I worry TSJ shots start lower and finishes lower than Knechts. I also think they got to the hoop equally in college. TSJ is a better defender. I think you will see Knecht show that he can facilitate. He just wasn't asked to at UT.
 
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CoalCity

St Paul, MN
I also thought it was nice that Gary Parrish openly said that the rape charge is behind him and that the public has no reason to think he’s anything other than innocent
F Gary Parrish. He didnt apologize and say how wrong he was when he was calling for TJ's and Underwoods heads and saying the university was wrong to allow him to play. Again, FFF Gary Parrish.
 
#341      

Chuck Nuggets

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I think maybe you do. Knecht is a very similar player to TSJ. The only thing Knecht did better than Shannon was hit is 3-pointers at a higher clip. TSJ is better in every other aspect of the game. The only reason I am bringing up TSJ is because of how similar they are and how much they have been compared to one another. As a somewhat unnecessary sidenote, one could argue if Shannon didn't have the suspension which led to a horrific 3-pt drought when he first returned, he could've also produced a 40ish% 3-pt average.
Obviously I disagree on their NBA potential. Knecht's skills translate to the NBA better than TSJ's, IMO. It will be fun to see if that pans out. TSJ has certainly proven me wrong before. Defense will certainly favor TSJ, which is no small factor.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Knecht's skills translate to the NBA better than TSJ's, IMO.
Time will tell and many GM's agree with you it appears, but I just find that really misguided and to be overrating long-range shotmaking's impact on an NBA game versus other factors.

Knecht could hardly have landed in a better situation to use his ability to score off defensive rotation though, just ask Austin Reaves.
 
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Time will tell and many GM's agree with you it appears, but I just find that really misguided and to be overrating long-range shotmaking's impact on an NBA game versus other factors.

Knecht could hardly have landed in a better situation to use his ability to score off defensive rotation though, just ask Austin Reaves.
I didn't realize 3 point shooting could be overrated. But I'm not simply factoring in his shooting. As Loyal pointed out, they're pretty similar players and actually pretty similar shooters in terms of percentages from all three areas. DK passes the eye test for me personally more than TSJ does when projecting the transition to the league. I can't point to some number that shows why I believe DK is a better pro than TSJ. TSJ won't be able to bully his way into the paint in the NBA like he did in college. I like DK's skillset more. We shall see. As we saw with Giddey, if DK can't defend it may not mater how well-rounded his offensive skills are. We know TSJ has real defensive potential.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Too little, too late from Parrish. Does not make up for his season long national disparagement of Terrence, which helped damage TSJ as an All-American and Illinois‘ basketball coaches and program immeasurably.


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#345      
I must be seeing something in Dalton Knecht that isn't really there. He seemed like a top-5 talent to me.
Did Adam Morrison seem like a top-5 talent, also?

I haven’t seen enough of Knecht or Morrison play in college to make a definitive statement on this, but I’d think they had a similar scouting report.
 
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1m4tr

Cliffmas
Obviously I disagree on their NBA potential. Knecht's skills translate to the NBA better than TSJ's, IMO. It will be fun to see if that pans out. TSJ has certainly proven me wrong before. Defense will certainly favor TSJ, which is no small factor.
And don’t forget in transition TSJ was bar none absolutely the best in the country last year. It was almost unfair to the other teams if he got the ball on the move.
 
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Chuck Nuggets

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Did Adam Morrison seem like a top-5 talent, also?

I haven’t seen enough of Knecht or Morrison play in college to make a definitive statement on this, but I’d think they had a similar scouting report.
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#350      
Round 2 of the Draft is normally a bit deflated compared to Round 1 (Mark Tatum announces picks instead of Adam Silver, some picks are made during commercials), but this is a new low for the league. Hosting it in the ESPN studio during a workday, it's terrible.
 
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