Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Imagine being a +/- 6-foot PG (think Braden Smith) at tip-off staring up at Ty or Terrence and thinking, “I’m going to guarded by that guy?!?”
Yeah, I can imagine it. I see his shaky handles and non-existent shooting skills and I'm thinking, "This is going to be a fun night for my team."

I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
 
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These are college kids. It's often not that deep. You truly don't always know what your going to get-just need to bring in talent and they have done that. There is a world where Curbelo turns into an Illinois legend. Same with Adam. Alan Griffin could have stayed. Etc.....
Brad is not a perfect coach by an stretch of the imagination.
But he has brought Illinois Basketball back from the dead. Two big ten championships. Yes last year was disappointing, but he had to overhaul an entire roster that had Kofi, Trent, Damonte, etc and still made the tourney.
The team this year brings back a ton of talent and experience, and yes the stakes are higher. More pressure on Brad and co. But the bashing of the team and even the pg situation is something that I don't understand. This team can still be really good.
And yes they can 100% make the second weekend. Enough talk about Sean Miller or any other coach until next season is over. We have a damn good squad and I'm ready to see what they can do. After last year, they have a huge chip on their shoulder. And I can tell you right now they hear the negativity and will use that
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Yeah, I can imagine it. I see his shaky handles and non-existent shooting skills and I'm thinking, "This is going to be a fun night for my team."

I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
Are you old enough to remember Steve Bardo?
 
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Yeah, I can imagine it. I see his shaky handles and non-existent shooting skills and I'm thinking, "This is going to be a fun night for my team."

I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
I came for the recruiting conjecture; I stayed for the spicy content. That last sentence was almost pornographic. 😬
 
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Yeah, I can imagine it. I see his shaky handles and non-existent shooting skills and I'm thinking, "This is going to be a fun night for my team."

I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skills skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
Well, good thing a basketball court has two sides…

Like you, I haven’t seen a complete skillset from TR or TJ to suggest the molding of a great PG. But then again I haven’t seen what they’ve been doing this year in practice, so I’m not going to write off the season just yet, thank you.

Plus, I haven’t totally given up on BU pulling a PG rabbit out of his hat full of $$$ quite yet, either.
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No, they were talking about evaluating talent. So that situation certainly makes me question how someone can only play 68 minutes all season here and a year later is a first round pick. I think they can evaluate talent but that does make you ponder it somewhat.. With that being said and what I saw in the combine and last season from him he was certainlymore skilled than Epps and others ball handlers we had at that position. I think he is very capable now that you mention it. I don't want to say what if again if we don't go after Kriisa or PM. Its will be like a rock in my shoe all next season if Williams can't play. Our PG needs to be able to shoot FTs in close games, and shoot or they won't be playing down the stretch.
Bolded sentence says a lot about underwood and staff. Obviously the staff didn’t think podz could contribute by the number of minutes he received. No one thinks podz became Superman last summer. There were several who got put in timeout in 21/22 for inferring Williams should have received about half the number minutes when the 3 talented freshman hardly got off of the bench.

the dysfunction of the 22/23 team chemistry, offense & defense, and results.

And for 23/24 roster construction looks good minus a capable point guard.
 
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Yeah, I can imagine it. I see his shaky handles and non-existent shooting skills and I'm thinking, "This is going to be a fun night for my team."

I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
Well, I'm baffled at people who have been a fan of college basketball for any period of time and think they can predict with certainty the play of a sophomore who got limited minutes as a freshman.

This is far from the most ideal situation. It's a staff failure in a number of ways. Ty at the 4 is far and away the best place for him and a properly constructed team.

And we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.
 
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Yeah, I can imagine it. I see his shaky handles and non-existent shooting skills and I'm thinking, "This is going to be a fun night for my team."

I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
Haven't seen it mentioned here, but playing PG would take away a big part of his game: offensive rebounding. He can still get some as a point guard, but it'll defonitely cut down on his chances.
 
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Well, I'm baffled at people who have been a fan of college basketball for any period of time and think they can predict with certainty the play of a sophomore who got limited minutes as a freshman.

This is far from the most ideal situation. It's a staff failure in a number of ways. Ty at the 4 is far and away the best place for him and a properly constructed team.

And we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.
No one has a crystal ball. All we have to go on is the past. And in the past, when Ty tried to play point, to say that he looked uncomfortable is an understatement and a half. Could a miracle occur and in a single season, he morphs into Steve Smith? Sure. Is that likely? What we have to go on says no.

I sure hope that Brad gets done with whatever it is that he's going through and changes his mind quickly about adding a proven point guard.
 
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No one has a crystal ball. All we have to go on is the past. And in the past, when Ty tried to play point, to say that he looked uncomfortable is an understatement and a half. Could a miracle occur and in a single season, he morphs into Steve Smith? Sure. Is that likely? What we have to go on says no.

I sure hope that Brad gets done with whatever it is that he's going through and changes his mind quickly about adding a proven point guard.
Actually, the past includes a ton of players that have made a substantial jump from year one to year two. I guess you were one of the people that was certain that Podz would amount to anything.

No one is saying he's going to be Steve Smith next year. But could he be the 1987 version of Steve Bardo? Sure. That wouldn't be a miracle. Would that be enough to get this team to a top 25 finish? Not sure. A lot of other things have to come out right.

Last year, I was one of the skeptics about the level of talent we had and how easy it would be to meld into a team. I remain a skeptic about this year's team. And I'm disappointed in much of what has happened in roster building the last few years.

As to your final comment, I hope he doesn't panic and add a guy that isn't right for the team. I'm not sure who the proven point guard is that is available and would come here. But I wouldn't pick up one just because of the chatter on a message board.
 
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I agree with this. Its just funny how you've flipped the switch completely from start to end of this offseason. I was skeptical since last season played out and was hopeful we'd have a strong offseason that filled the PG need, but you were like Brad's #1 fan and now the opposite. Maybe hold off on the huge dramatic swings and try to be a little bit more even-keeled
You have not been reading this board long if this is your take. He was all about bringing in Sean Miller at the beginning of this off season
 
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No one has a crystal ball. All we have to go on is the past. And in the past, when Ty tried to play point, to say that he looked uncomfortable is an understatement and a half. Could a miracle occur and in a single season, he morphs into Steve Smith? Sure. Is that likely? What we have to go on says no.

I sure hope that Brad gets done with whatever it is that he's going through and changes his mind quickly about adding a proven point guard.
Well it's not really fair to Rodgers to say he didn't excel at PG last year, because he wasn't practicing as a PG. This year it seems he will be spending most of his practice time there. It also isn't really fair to expect a ton from him because it is not easy to just learn the PG position your Soph year of college, and his skillset is really not a great match. He's not a great shooter so moving him to the perimeter is not ideal and he is a great rebounder, so being on the perimeter, again not ideal.

I think it is quite possible to be very concerned about next year, but at the same time very hopeful all goes well. Last year we were pretty dang excited about all the weapons, all the length, we were going to press, and run, and cause teams fits. This offseason we're less optimistic and concerned we're going to be dragged down by a hole at the PG position. So maybe we'll over perform next year as opposed to under performing last season.
 
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I guess you were one of the people that was certain that Podz would amount to anything.
Yikes. That's quite an assumption. I am and always have been a big fan of Podz's game and was sorry to see him go. Being able to face facts about the chances of a college power forward developing B1G level pg skills within a single year doesn't equate to "total hater and downer." I'm simply realistic about the meas the staff has made of our chances at contending for a title this season given that they've neglected the pg position completely and, seemingly, without explanation, are refusing to explore options that are out there that would solve the problem.
 
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Can we just get that genius back in here that was taking shots and arguing with our legit Loyalty Insiders who....literally...actually...Talk. To. The. Staff., and have Sean Miller on speed dial?

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I like...was at the airport today and actually stopped at Garrett's for extra popcorn. So....yeah...more of that would be great. Thanks.
Some 'idiots' that' get paid for their opinion at TOS also seem to think the big kid from Yorkville is a high major prospect. I am not discounting an insider's take. It just isn't the last word. I know what my eyes saw on the video.
 
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Be careful….I got some 💩 for saying DGL looked a “little” like D Rose in his highlight reel months ago. I’m not expecting miracles but one would be nice!!! Here’s for hoping.🤞🏼
As you should. DGL looks like a good athlete and could very well be a great college player and not be half the player Rose was.

Regardless DGL is skinny and undersized. Rose was a big PG and was built like a grown man in high school.
 
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Exactly! Don’t get me wrong, I want that Sweet Sixteen like the rest of us. However, I can’t honestly say that I remembered the 2002 season (tied with four teams for first in the Big Ten and lost in the Sweet Sixteen) as this inherently superior result than the 2003 season (second in Big Ten, BTT champion and lost in the Second Round). They were both just kind of “good Illini teams that won a game or two in the Tournament.”

I guess I grew up viewing the Final Four as this epic accomplishment and everything from Second Round to Elite Eight as a progressively better version of falling short of that. I certainly never thought of winning in the Second Round as catapulting a team into this superior “next tier” up of “Second Weekend teams.” 🤷🏼‍♂️ The reason I want it so badly with Underwood is just to shut up the haters, but a “Sweet Sixteen” isn’t a prize to me the same way a Final Four or Big Ten banner is - the latter only seems like not that big of a deal because we just did it.
Tournament runs are the prize. I think in a perfect world people want a program where getting to the sweet 16 is the baseline and theyre getting elite 8 and final four appearances with the odd year that maybe everything comes together and they can win a championship.

I obviously want to see them win a championship but I really just enjoy watching competitive basketball in March so I'd like to just see them put together some consistent runs.

I'm probably have too high of expectations and most schools don't reach them but I want to see Illini basketball get to the point where anything less than a sweet 16 is a disappointment like the Gonzaga's of the world or even Arkansas now.
 
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@Indy Illini Fan and @illini0440 have both said he couldn't guard anyone in practice.. we saw the same thing in games when he played. He wouldn't have played 30+ MPG here and scored 20 PPG like he did at Santa Clara
He is about to get drafted top 15 in this upcoming draft class. Are you saying that we should trust the evaluations of anonymous posters who are simply relaying to this board what the IL staff was thinking/saying about him over the NBA draft scouts who evaluated him over the past college season?

He could have played here and been a major asset running point on last years team. Podz said that BU basically told him that he wasn’t good enough… this was a huge misevaluation and cost us last year. It is having ramifications today as we still can’t find a PG and it’s been noted that other schools are using the “they run off PGs” in negative recruiting against us… ie Ray J Dennis.
 
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