Yknow those aren’t bad points. He definitely had an eye for defensive talent just had no interest in being a college coach
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I can't wait until August. Someone's gonna ask if we'd be better off trading Shannon, Hawkins, and Rodgers for one year of Jay Tate or T. Jon Lucas, Esq. and 90% of the people will say yes.Not directed towards any one poster or a specific conversation, but this thread has been a big steaming pilethe past several days.
Probably should just lock the thread for a day or two.
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The West Memphis Three were treated with less hysteria than folks are giving our point guard situation.
That's a shocking stat!
Let's see. I'll try to catch up.
For BU, I think "Dream" is to "Job" as "Elite" is to "Player." Seriously, I think he likes the Illinois job (but maybe not everything that goes with it - crazy fans that want to fire the winningest coach recently in B1G basketball; boosters trying to tell him who to recruit, etc.).
I understand the frustration with no "elite" PG and not pushing for Love or Krissa. However, if BU learned anything from last year, it is that chemistry and understanding roles is important. Look as PSU last year - a bunch of old guys from mid-majors that did not expect to be the number one option. That fits Harmon and Domask. He also has to be worried about getting the younger players tick - see complaints re Podz. He might also be getting tired of having to replace all 5 starters every year. So he just decides to go with Ty, Buck and DGL at PG. You all want retention - that is the price.
For BU, I think "Dream" is to "Job" as "Elite" is to "Player." Seriously, I think he likes the Illinois job (but maybe not everything that goes with it - crazy fans that want to fire the winningest coach recently in B1G basketball; boosters trying to tell him who to recruit, etc.).
I understand the frustration with no "elite" PG and not pushing for Love or Krissa. However, if BU learned anything from last year, it is that chemistry and understanding roles is important. Look as PSU last year - a bunch of old guys from mid-majors that did not expect to be the number one option. That fits Harmon and Domask. He also has to be worried about getting the younger players tick - see complaints re Podz. He might also be getting tired of having to replace all 5 starters every year. So he just decides to go with Ty, Buck and DGL at PG. You all want retention - that is the price.
Special Announcement: I’ve talked myself into DGL.
It’s gonna be a great year everybody.
It’s gonna be a great year everybody.
It seems Reeves' only option is to return to UK. It looks like he can't use credits from ISU to be a grad transfer while on UK's roster.
At this point, that's where I'm at. Ty and DGL are the horses that we're riding. If they develop, we'll be set for the next couple of years.
Another crazy stat: I *think* Coleman Hawkins is set to be the first high school recruit BU has ever had play for him for four years.
Of course, he had a few guys leave early to go pro, Trent and Damonte played for him for five years, he wasn't at OK St. long enough to cycle through a full recruiting class, and he was only at SFA for one class to cycle through (I think). So it's not to say he just pushes everyone out. It's just kind of a wild stat for a coach of BU's experience.
@Indy Illini Fan and @illini0440 have both said he couldn't guard anyone in practice.. we saw the same thing in games when he played. He wouldn't have played 30+ MPG here and scored 20 PPG like he did at Santa Clara
Three very different stories.
Mark Smith was an overrated lower tier untested top 100 Mr. Basketball. He and his parents envisioned a ball dominant lead guard. Coach Underwood was eager to indulge their fantasy. It worked fairly well against lesser competition. As the level of competition increased, Smith was eventually exposed. He was then used as more of a spot up shooting guard, but didn't shoot well.
The punitive use of exercise allegedly factored in, and he transferred someplace where he would be used right, as a ball dominant lead guard. He soon settled into a role as an off the ball, spot up shooter, accepted it, and became marginally good at it.
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Jones violated team rules twice, served lengthy suspensions, dropped out of the rotation, fell behind, never caught up, and entered the portal. He was a nice player. Wish he had stayed and worked out.
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Iirc, Griffin was a player with good length, but not really a good athlete. He could rebound, pass a little, and really shoot. Not much of a handle. Bad on defense. I think we used him as a stretch 4. I also recall some head issues. Like literally stepping on a fallen opponent.
He transferred to Syracuse, where they could hide him on defense in their zone. He was very inconsistent. Averaged 13 by basically scoring 22 one game and 4 the next. He got in Boeheim's doghouse late and his tick dwindled.
Recruiting wise, given the time and circumstances, I think Underwood would take all 3 again. A bird in the hand ... He had to take who he could get.
My only objection is he acted like Smith was going to be an NBA level point guard. He had to be Kidding.
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pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Man. This is a bunch of garbage.
I went through this whole thread and didn't see one cottage cheese reference.
Zero burger recommends.
Nothing about pizza.
If I can't count on a Loyalty Hoops Cruitin' thread for food, where am I supposed to go?
Opie , Aunt Bea , Barney and I all start our day with cannabutter on a Ritz.........We really really do.......It does a body good !!
Damn straight Anj.................................................
How's dat PG cruitin goin today bro's ??
Good post! I agree with it…except the part about Allan Griffin hiding in their zone. It’s tough to play it well; contrary to popular belief. (He was playing catch up too.)
“ He’s a mystery to coach. He can take over a game or just disappear.”
-Jim Boeheim
Jim Boeheim calls out Griffin and Guerrier: ‘We need Alan and Quincy to play well for us to win’
Jim Boeheim criticized his team's defense after loss to Duke.
www.syracuse.com
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The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
I know this thread has become more about b*tching than recruiting, but just gonna drop this here. Supposedly a "perfect complement with Morez." Take from that what you will.
InDaAZ
- Eugene, Oregon
Once again, our coach should be bringing in guys who want to play his style, learn under his leadership, take his coaching, and have good character. When he brings players in without those characteristics and they leave, it gives me no consolation.
It means we wasted an opportunity. I believe it was once said that scholarships are gold (maybe even F'in gold)
Big Jack
- Decatur
Man. This is a bunch of garbage.
I went through this whole thread and didn't see one cottage cheese reference.
Zero burger recommends.
Nothing about pizza.
If I can't count on a Loyalty Hoops Cruitin' thread for food, where am I supposed to go?
I will say that somebody on an older thread mentioned cottage cheese and pork and beans mixed and that brought childhood memories back.Man. This is a bunch of garbage.
I went through this whole thread and didn't see one cottage cheese reference.
Zero burger recommends.
Nothing about pizza.
If I can't count on a Loyalty Hoops Cruitin' thread for food, where am I supposed to go?
Also…can I leave this here?
foby
- Bonnaroo Land
POTD.
Yeah Pru, a whole lotta cranial-rectal inversion the past few weeks . . .
Govoner Vaugn Fan
- New Orleans
This post creates more questions than answers for me, but I will choose not to research the topic further. NOMB
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