Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Mojoman
nichi said:
Some 'idiots' that' get paid for their opinion at TOS also seem to think the big kid from Yorkville is a high major prospect. I am not discounting an insider's take. It just isn't the last word. I know what my eyes saw on the video.
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MDchicago
fulton steamer said:
Just so we're clear, Steven Bardo's career stats were:
4 assists per game, 70% Free throws, 43.9% FG, and 45.5% 3pt. FG. It's almost like he had natural PG Skills. Just saying.
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And 41st pick in the 1990 NBA draft. Lou played him 20 mpg as a freshman on a team with seniors Doug Altenberger and Tony Wysinger and junior Glynn Blackwell (not to mention fellow freshmen Kendall Gill and Larry Smith).
 
#656      
theNewGuy
LvilleILL said:
These are college kids. It's often not that deep. You truly don't always know what your going to get-just need to bring in talent and they have done that. There is a world where Curbelo turns into an Illinois legend. Same with Adam. Alan Griffin could have stayed. Etc.....
Brad is not a perfect coach by an stretch of the imagination.
But he has brought Illinois Basketball back from the dead. Two big ten championships. Yes last year was disappointing, but he had to overhaul an entire roster that had Kofi, Trent, Damonte, etc and still made the tourney.
The team this year brings back a ton of talent and experience, and yes the stakes are higher. More pressure on Brad and co. But the bashing of the team and even the pg situation is something that I don't understand. This team can still be really good.
And yes they can 100% make the second weekend. Enough talk about Sean Miller or any other coach until next season is over. We have a damn good squad and I'm ready to see what they can do. After last year, they have a huge chip on their shoulder. And I can tell you right now they hear the negativity and will use that
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#658      
BretMyBeachHouse
fulton steamer said:
Just so we're clear, Steven Bardo's career stats were:
4 assists per game, 70% Free throws, 43.9% FG, and 45.5% 3pt. FG. It's almost like he had natural PG Skills. Just saying.
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3.8 apg for a career is not some sort of "natural point guard".

In '89 he averaged 4.4 apg on the best team in America. That would put him at 94th on the leaders list this year. His A/TO ratio was under 2 which is nothing extraordinary.

Bardo was an excellent defender which is why he started in '87 over Larry Smith. Coming into that season, no one was predicting that. Smith was much more highly regarded. Bardo also brought a lot of intangibles to the floor.

Is Ty the next Bardo? I'd bet against it, but it's not some sort of ridiculous hope.
 
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MDchicago
illinitiger said:
Wow...45.5% 3p has to be a program historical leader??
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Impressive stat, though Bardo's judicious shot selection and the shorter 3 point line back then played a role.

Not sure who the all-time leader is, but Doug Altenberger had a sweet jump shot and made 47.5% on 3FG (over 5 attempts per game) in his only season after the NCAA adopted the 3FG.
 
#660      
Rap47
fulton steamer said:
Just so we're clear, Steven Bardo's career stats were:
4 assists per game, 70% Free throws, 43.9% FG, and 45.5% 3pt. FG. It's almost like he had natural PG Skills. Just saying.
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Compare their freshman stats, Bardo was better at the free throw line and made 1 three. He started 10 out of 31 games, so maybe Ty has a chance.
 
#661      
CoachHooleyHoo
LvilleILL said:
These are college kids. It's often not that deep. You truly don't always know what your going to get-just need to bring in talent and they have done that. There is a world where Curbelo turns into an Illinois legend. Same with Adam. Alan Griffin could have stayed. Etc.....
Brad is not a perfect coach by an stretch of the imagination.
But he has brought Illinois Basketball back from the dead. Two big ten championships. Yes last year was disappointing, but he had to overhaul an entire roster that had Kofi, Trent, Damonte, etc and still made the tourney.
The team this year brings back a ton of talent and experience, and yes the stakes are higher. More pressure on Brad and co. But the bashing of the team and even the pg situation is something that I don't understand. This team can still be really good.
And yes they can 100% make the second weekend. Enough talk about Sean Miller or any other coach until next season is over. We have a damn good squad and I'm ready to see what they can do. After last year, they have a huge chip on their shoulder. And I can tell you right now they hear the negativity and will use that
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You don’t understand the frustration over the PG situation? That seems disingenuous. I think the frustration is primarily b/c what you’re saying…there is a ton of talent and what appears to be a great mix of players. Just feels like that solid, experienced PG is the missing piece to make this a top 10 team. That’s the frustration.

And just for the record, I 100% appreciate the info you and other insiders provide.
 
#664      
bluemountain
BretMyBeachHouse said:
Actually, the past includes a ton of players that have made a substantial jump from year one to year two. I guess you were one of the people that was certain that Podz would amount to anything.

No one is saying he's going to be Steve Smith next year. But could he be the 1987 version of Steve Bardo? Sure. That wouldn't be a miracle. Would that be enough to get this team to a top 25 finish? Not sure. A lot of other things have to come out right.

Last year, I was one of the skeptics about the level of talent we had and how easy it would be to meld into a team. I remain a skeptic about this year's team. And I'm disappointed in much of what has happened in roster building the last few years.

As to your final comment, I hope he doesn't panic and add a guy that isn't right for the team. I'm not sure who the proven point guard is that is available and would come here. But I wouldn't pick up one just because of the chatter on a message board.
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If Ty is the 87 version of Steve Bardo we are knocking on the top 10 this year. I've seen comments about the # of assists in this thread - that's not the only marker of a good PG. Bardo was a great defender, good distributor and set the offense well. If Ty can do that (not to mention how well he rebounds) we will be in great shape this year.
 
#665      
HensonHall71
PasadenaIllini said:
I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
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I think you are missing the point- he would be a point forward who runs the offense but is guarded by and will guard another forward most of the time. He will also play Uber the basket a bunch for his rebounding on both ends- the guards on the floor will be responsible for getting back on D, guarding the other teams PG etc
 
#666      
illini_tommy
SuperSmashBro said:
He is about to get drafted top 15 in this upcoming draft class. Are you saying that we should trust the evaluations of anonymous posters who are simply relaying to this board what the IL staff was thinking/saying about him over the NBA draft scouts who evaluated him over the past college season?

He could have played here and been a major asset running point on last years team. Podz said that BU basically told him that he wasn’t good enough… this was a huge misevaluation and cost us last year. It is having ramifications today as we still can’t find a PG and it’s been noted that other schools are using the “they run off PGs” in negative recruiting against us… ie Ray J Dennis.
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He's not a point guard either... did you watch him play or are you just pissed off he's going to be drafted? Did you watch the NBA playoffs this year? Think Podz could guard anyone there?
 
#667      
hoopsfan47
PasadenaIllini said:
Yeah, I can imagine it. I see his shaky handles and non-existent shooting skills and I'm thinking, "This is going to be a fun night for my team."

I find it absolutely baffling that there are posters on this forum who actually think that throwing Ty in at point guard will lead to anything good this coming season. Ty should be playing forward, where his skillset is most suitable. Not attempting to fit his square peg skills into what would amount to a very round hole.
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Just wanting to re-post this as it is profound. There may be a play or set that starts with Ty having the ball at the top of the circle, but playing him at PG full time is as negative an idea as any ever purported....and we are talking about the Loyalty Message Board which is as goofy as any. Ty is a beast at the rim where his skills are elite. Take that away and regardless of what the team needs, it is weaker. What he can contribute is as an option for breaking a press...but otherwise his skills are wasted if he is more than 12 ft. from the rim. Ty, Harris, and Dainja need to commit fully to finding help with and improving their FT % if they want to be on the floor more.

It would be nice to have another PG on the roster with skills and experience, but it does not exist. There are a couple of young men with skills at that position who lack physical development and experience along with a transfer for which we have no idea of his availability or health. Sincere may be an option too. But putting Ty there and playing him for significant minutes is something cringe-worthy.
 
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Travis1173
SuperSmashBro said:
He is about to get drafted top 15 in this upcoming draft class. Are you saying that we should trust the evaluations of anonymous posters who are simply relaying to this board what the IL staff was thinking/saying about him over the NBA draft scouts who evaluated him over the past college season?

He could have played here and been a major asset running point on last years team. Podz said that BU basically told him that he wasn’t good enough… this was a huge misevaluation and cost us last year. It is having ramifications today as we still can’t find a PG and it’s been noted that other schools are using the “they run off PGs” in negative recruiting against us… ie Ray J Dennis.
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He’s not going in the top 15.
 
#669      
doowink
I've been reading the comments about the PG situation for this upcoming season...I guess for me it boils down to what type of PG do most people envision for this team?? There's the quick, good ball handler that can dish out assists to teammates, shoots well from the perimeter and can make free throws especially down the stretch type PG....probably what most see as a true PG.....then there's the bigger maybe not as quick PG that handles the ball well enough to execute the offense, can pass the ball over the top of smaller guards, is capable to posting up smaller players guarding him, gets a ton of rebounds and plays smothering defense over the smaller player he's guarding....I am hoping we have both types of PG this season....Using Ty and DGL as matchups and situations dictate, we have two distinct PG's with very different skill sets and hopefully will make it difficult for opposing teams to match up and prepare for us this season....jmho......:hailtotheorange:
 
#670      
Dr Copejam
SkyysNotFalling said:
Ty is going to be better. Just sayin.

Edit: didn’t see “pg”. Ty will be a better player than Bardo though, definitely. Sorry not sorry 🤷🏻‍♂️
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TY has the potential to maybe be better than Bardo, but it’s not a given. Bardo was an excellent team player who deferred to his teammates, but don’t be fooled. Bardo could play. He was good enough to play in the NBA for a minute.
 
#672      
pruman91
MDchicago said:
Impressive stat, though Bardo's judicious shot selection and the shorter 3 point line back then played a role.

Not sure who the all-time leader is, but Doug Altenberger had a sweet jump shot and made 47.5% on 3FG (over 5 attempts per game) in his only season after the NCAA adopted the 3FG.
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PepeSilvia
SuperSmashBro said:
He is about to get drafted top 15 in this upcoming draft class. Are you saying that we should trust the evaluations of anonymous posters who are simply relaying to this board what the IL staff was thinking/saying about him over the NBA draft scouts who evaluated him over the past college season?

He could have played here and been a major asset running point on last years team. Podz said that BU basically told him that he wasn’t good enough… this was a huge misevaluation and cost us last year. It is having ramifications today as we still can’t find a PG and it’s been noted that other schools are using the “they run off PGs” in negative recruiting against us… ie Ray J Dennis.
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How does Podz keeping getting moved up here?

He being mocked as a late 1st/early 2nd Rd pick. Where are you seeing him as a lottery pick?
 
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