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SEC tipoff times to be released today, so perhaps we'll get the Alabama and Missouri game times & TV.
Illini Basketball 2024-2025
Especially at 6-9 instead of 6-0ish like Plummer and Trent.Excited to see a great shooter in our program
"The Gun"!!! What a fantastic teaching/training aid for today's offensive development which requires shooters at every position. Wish it was widely available 70 years ago.
But watching BH it still raises a question for me that I addressed over a week ago and got no answer. That is do today's coaches and shooting instructors prefer their guys to release from the top of their jump/over their head which in the case of WR or BH would be around 10 feet off the floor (per JJ Reddick) or to they lean towards a quicker release without the jump which equals a release from 7-7.5 feet off the floor ( per Stephon Curry) as we see from BH in the above clip?
I really am curious to know which is preferred at elite levels. The over the head is tougher to block if the jump is quick and high, but is sometimes tougher to get to due to the shooter having to take the ball from dribble to launch allowing the defender to know where to slap it away...if he is quick enough. The chest release is effective if the launch is quick enough and the shooter can get his defender to bite on fakes and step backs. It also seems to be easier with which to become efficient for a majority of players as it uses more and larger muscles while the true jumper depends more on the smaller wrist and arm muscles. Really would like to hear from someone who knows how each is looked up on in today's game.
But watching BH it still raises a question for me that I addressed over a week ago and got no answer. That is do today's coaches and shooting instructors prefer their guys to release from the top of their jump/over their head which in the case of WR or BH would be around 10 feet off the floor (per JJ Reddick) or to they lean towards a quicker release without the jump which equals a release from 7-7.5 feet off the floor ( per Stephon Curry) as we see from BH in the above clip?
I really am curious to know which is preferred at elite levels. The over the head is tougher to block if the jump is quick and high, but is sometimes tougher to get to due to the shooter having to take the ball from dribble to launch allowing the defender to know where to slap it away...if he is quick enough. The chest release is effective if the launch is quick enough and the shooter can get his defender to bite on fakes and step backs. It also seems to be easier with which to become efficient for a majority of players as it uses more and larger muscles while the true jumper depends more on the smaller wrist and arm muscles. Really would like to hear from someone who knows how each is looked up on in today's game.
Last post because I'm realizing this is hopeless.
"A team returns 25 minutes vs our 18 for example. Big deal."
All the teams you mentioned return more than 25% of minutes and we return less than 18%.
School / returning minutes
Duke / 27%
UConn / 45%
Purdue / 54%
UNC / 48%
Auburn / 57%
Baylor / 33%
Illinois / 14%
But the difference between 14% and 25% is the equivalent of about 16 spots in the KenPom rankings. The difference between 14% and 35% is about 33 spots.
Continuity explains about 25% of the variance in a team's performance on average. Below is data from the NIL / Portal era.
But talent is important too. So is coaching. We are very well endowed in both departments. We will be good. You don't have to deny reality or make stuff up to think so.
robertgoulet
IL Board Resident Crooner
- Austin, TX
We had to make due with Pistol Pete's Homework Basketball.
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Not to mention, roster construction! Which I think is critical in modern ball. Positional balance & shooting are a must. Really need Ivisic to be cleared
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
With our non-conference schedule I don't really see the point of haggling over preseason rankings.
We will have exactly the ranking or lack thereof that we deserve by Christmas.
We will have exactly the ranking or lack thereof that we deserve by Christmas.
Good analysis- this is why I don’t mind us not being ranked- as excited I am for the season, the reality is this team will need time to gel, we still need to find out who will be the leader in the locker room (I think Ty and Kylan are good leaders, but it might be better for the team if it’s Kasparas), is everyone going to be happy with their roles, we lost two top assistants, which is a big deal, etc
The thing that gives me hope that Brad can bring this team together in a way he wasn’t able to 2 years ago is that I think he really learned from that experience. I don’t think he would bring in another Skyy or Mayer (not that they were bad guys just didn’t come with the right mindset)- I have to think he was honest with everyone and he has a good sense that they will fit in.
If this team can gel , Kasparas steps up as a leader, the team buys in defensively even a little , then we will be really good in March. But it will be a shock to me if we’re good in Nov, just too much to figure out early on - but that journey will be fun to watch!
Are you an Illini fan? I'm not sure you are. If you were, you would know that we should be ranked higher than we are, UNLESS we are #1.
Kasparas is going to be a stud in his year here. He reminds me of a Marcus with better handles and passing ability. This team is going to be fun to watch. Especially come tourney time. I just hope that we get Tomislav cleared to play by BIG time. We are definitely going to need him. I like this team to win
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
Happy with the Fox/CBS exposure, but man that's a lot of Peacock. Now I personally don't mind, as I got Peacock for the year when it was on sale. But Wisconsin, Indiana, and UCLA are HUGE games to be putting on a subscription streaming service. It's a shame many out there won't get to watch.
Vecenie's Cooper Flagg profile reads like there is a non-zero chance that he is not the #1 pick. Is this right? Like - do any scouts see it this way?
I think they see it as more not a not non-zero chance that’s he’s not the non-#1 pick
Joel Goodson
- dawgville
better outside shooter too. yeah, KJ's a next level facilitator. no slight to Marcus, he was flipping great for us.
I was using that as an example not as fact
. What I’m saying is just because a team returns a guy that 5 minutes and another player that played 8 minutes doesn’t mean they are in a better position than us. Doing all these charts and crap means nothing to me. Losing NBA players and impact starters or players means more. Most of the top teams lost those type of players. Not just us.
Reminder there is usually a black Friday deal to get peacock for $20 for the entire year! Keep an eye out for it!
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
It's pretty ridiculous of ESPN to stick such a good game as just-outside-of-top-25 Illinois vs. top 5 Alabama on the SEC Network. But whatever. Makes me glad the B1G isn't on ESPN anymore...
A look at our newcomers: https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...7186E962E25680BA20E87186E962E25680&ajaxhist=0
I'm going way back, but Jerry West was a great "jump" shooter back in the day, and he only "jumped" a few inches off the ground, and he didn't seem to ever release the ball way over his head. West always credited the quick release on his jumper, and that he often shot on the way up. That worked very well for The Logo. But I will admit that defenders weren't as long and athletic back in those days. But it seems very similar to what Steph Curry is doing these days versus longer, more athletic defenders in the NBA. I think you make a very valid point regarding the use of "more and larger muscles" (i.e. the legs) while shooting with the West/Curry style. But saying all that, I have no idea how each style is looked upon in today's game. I assume that there are advocates of each style. I do think that the form/version of your jump shot does and should vary between long range/3-pointeers and mid-range/2-pointers. Just my humble opinion.
Bigtex
- DFW
Very enjoyable interview with KB
Damask? Liberty? Griffen?