If Mizzou “was available”, I think the B1G takes them in a heartbeat. They satisfy every condition the B1G would want. I just don’t see how Mizzou becomes available though. I don’t think Mizzou wants out, nor do I think the SEC has any reason to want them out.
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If Mizzou “was available”, I think the B1G takes them in a heartbeat. They satisfy every condition the B1G would want. I just don’t see how Mizzou becomes available though. I don’t think Mizzou wants out, nor do I think the SEC has any reason to want them out.
yea, thank goodness no B1G schools enabled pedophiles to ruin about 50 kids lives nor enabled creepy doctors from raping student athletes .
geez, stop it with the "we are better than that" attitude. Our league is literally and figuratively in a glass house
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Mizzou already was available and the B1G already did not take them.
I think it’s different this time. There will be 16 teams in the B1G when all of this is done. If the B1G wants to hold out until ACC teams become available, then fine, but otherwise, they’ll take a 16th soon.
The only drawback to Iowa State is the lack of marketability. Otherwise, they would actually be a great addition, and one school that meets the B1G’s criteria in a lot of ways.
Because better options were available at the time (if I’m not mistaking the time frame). They aren’t this time around.
what? penn state should've been kicked out, maybe mich state, too, but small, private christian schools in texas will never be in the b1g. this is not controversial.
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As you've pointed out, our league is already a toilet of hypocrisy, which is why we shouldn't quadruple down by adding Baylor.
I think your conclusion is correct, but I think your reasoning behind it is not.
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Don't forget about all of the wrestlers at tOSU who were allegedly abused while Jim Jordan covered it up.
I never implied Baylor nor TCU would ever get admitted, I just dont like throwing stones at other schools - especially when members in our league are hardly above judgment . Thats all.
and the the christian school argument means nothing as we would admit ND in a new york minute
I'm not disagreeing with you, just think we are having 2 different discussion...not sure the hivemind as you call it matters to the conference value discussion & if Texas is a sought after program. Sure Texas thinks they are the beginning & end of college football and performance has fallen well below the bar. But for the SEC, B1G or any other conference looking at adding a team, Texas is by far the most profitable team in play and a no brainer on the money side. Look at budget/revenue, look at projected values, Texas is always #1, ND is usually missing since they are private and don't have to report as much information. Is Alabama/Clemson bigger brand names to the average fan and better football programs, sure. But if you are looking to add value to the conference money pool.. Texas's attitude is part of the reason they are worth so much to any conference, big market, rabid fan base, big alumni & fan following and add to there revenue generating ability, the fact that are underperforming is an additional benefit, That's why they have been able to control the big12 & for similiar reaasons why ND was able to get a football only deal with ACC
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I'm not sure what you mean by "marketability" but I'm struggling to think of a measure that would result in Iowa State being a *great* addition other than simply "becoming school #16"
I think the interesting thought here is would A&M be pissed off enough to consider the B1G. They are underrated in this game as Texas's little brother of sorts, but would be a great add from revenue side, open up Texas recruiting opportunities for rest of big, potential to get B1G ten network is in every standard cable package in Texas. Would be a win for the big & if that happened would Oklahoma be interested? probably not, but suspect there is some that wouldn't mind being separated from the drama that is Texas.
In my uneducated opinion, the strategic countermove would be for the B1G to merge with/absorb the best and most lucrative bits of the ACC and form a Midwest/Atlantic region TV juggernaut. That would make financial sense for them as well as us. You’re not keeping pace with a Goliath SEC but adding Oklahoma State. We got to get to UNC and Virginia before they do.
But boy you have to believe the next few years are going to be terrifying and traumatic as the college football universe cleaves itself into a semi-professional NFL feeder league for the elite programs and distinctly secondary regional minor conferences for everyone else. It’s going to be rough. I suppose we can take some solace in the fact that, whatever happens, Illinois is entrenched firmly with the Haves.
But boy you have to believe the next few years are going to be terrifying and traumatic as the college football universe cleaves itself into a semi-professional NFL feeder league for the elite programs and distinctly secondary regional minor conferences for everyone else. It’s going to be rough. I suppose we can take some solace in the fact that, whatever happens, Illinois is entrenched firmly with the Haves.
we would HAPPILY admit A&M into the B1G. If that call isnt at least made, someone is a fool.
I really doubt they would be eager to leave the SEC for the B1G though, as pissed off as they may be.
if you cant get UT, A&M is a pretty decent consolation prize
The big clearly passed on Mizzou & ND wasn't willing to join. MD & Rutgers were clearly about grabbing TV market. I wouldn't be surprised if grabbing MD was also a ploy to shake the tree and see what else fell from the trees, maybe ACC, maybe ND, but a lot of teams were scrambling at the time.
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That's the play here. Definitely a longshot, but it's worth exploring.
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1. Within the existing geographic footprint
2. Already an AAU school
3. Natural rivalry already with Iowa and Nebraska (former Big 12 member they formerly had a rivalry with)
So there are a few reasons it makes sense.
“Within the geographic footprint” is a negative and not a plus. Not one single new BTN subscriber would come through adding Iowa St to the Big 10.
Iowa St (or Pitt, for that matter) is the near perfect addition to the Big 10 except that it’s in the wrong state.
you don’t understand - the B1G doesn’t really want another school that’s within the current footprint - save ND . Iowa St doesn’t add any eyeballs to TV .
besides ND, UT or A&M, new members would come from Va, NC , Ga or Fla .
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It's been said, but 1 and 3 aren't positives (would Iowa even want this? they don't need ISU in the conference to play them, they do it already), and 1 is a big negative.
I think Kansas is a possibility, but I'm still betting the B1G passes on Kansas. If you believe the endgame is 16, I think you get pickly with 15/16 and hold out for a couple ACC schools or a lucky twist of fate that frees up a bigger fish that doesn't seem to be in play at the moment such as ND/Texas/A&M.
KU needs the B1G more than the B1G needs KU.
Hard pass.
Hard pass.
Right, Iowa State fits all categories EXCEPT marketability (or whatever I’m trying to say; it doesn’t add to the B1G market). Someone else said it about Pitt, too. Iowa State and Pitt are both perfect teams, but in the wrong locations. Although, Pitt is even less likely to join IMO given the fact it’s in a conference that’s not going anywhere.
The thing about Iowa State is that it checks off a lot of boxes that the B1G wants to check off when it comes to expanding and adding schools. Too many of you are thinking “teams”. That is not the play here.
Expanding the B1G market is important, but I am fairly confident that it’s not going to be tue final say by any stretch.
The thing about Iowa State is that it checks off a lot of boxes that the B1G wants to check off when it comes to expanding and adding schools. Too many of you are thinking “teams”. That is not the play here.
Expanding the B1G market is important, but I am fairly confident that it’s not going to be tue final say by any stretch.
What do you guys think of Syracuse as a potential fit in the future?
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