Conference Realignment, Naming Rights, Financing

#26      
It will be a mistake to let North Carolina and Miami join the B12 and not try and get them into the B1G first.
I'm no expert on this, but the guiding factor in all of this for both the Big Ten and SEC has seemed to really be this simple up until this point:

** Does School ABC add enough revenue to increase the slice of the pie current members get, even with more mouths to feed? **

For example, if there is $270 to go around in the current Big Ten, each current school would theoretically be getting $15 back. A 19th school would have to bring at least $16 to the table in its own right to justify adding it ... otherwise it just reduces the payout for current members, and it's not worth it. And there seem to be very few schools that (at least by themselves) fit the bill, especially now.

What I am kind of interested about, though, is at what point down our "Big Two" timeline is it worth it to be a lot less picky than that? Maybe we wouldn't have taken UNC in 2015, but is it worth it just to nab them up now before another school inks a contract with them? I am not privy to the TRUE economics behind this, and I frankly don't trust anyone who claims to be unless he/she sits in the board rooms making these decisions. While we fans like to simplify this down to "football revenue" all too often (at least IMO), I think the powers-that-be indeed consider other factors like long-term potential. Obviously there are some schools that have built up such a brand that they just have this inherent long-term value, but a school like Clemson would have NEVER been a target even circa 2000 (they're the less popular team in a mid-sized state, and they had no elite success to speak of ... they're a hot target because they've been good, but are the "bones" there to make them this amazing asset in the long run? Maybe. Maybe UNC is worse than Oklahoma State at football over the last ten years, but with Nick Saban at either school, does UNC bring way more long-term value to the Big Ten? I say yes, absolutely. A lot of factors would go into that calculation, IMO.

On a slight aside, as I have studied TV viewership numbers over the last couple years, I have become increasingly convinced that there are really only like 5-10 schools that by themselves bring a ton of value for TV eyeballs. After those true big dogs (Michigan, OSU, Texas, Notre Dame, etc.), I think the inherent gap between schools is much, much smaller than we believe, and it simply depends on (A) how good they are, (B) how good their opponent is and (C) most importantly what channel/time slot they have. Within that massive group you might have some variation based on factors like instate population and alumni base (i.e., there are just simply WAY more human beings with some sort of sentimental attachment leading them to potentially watch an Illini football fan than there are those for a small private school that shares its state with more popular teams like Wake Forest), but I think it's more often the case that good schools draw well, bad schools don't as much and any school can be good/bad in a given decade. The degree to which Wisconsin football outdraws Illini football in similar channel/time slots is very negligible given how much better they have been than us for decades. Part of that is because Illinois has good "base" qualities keeping our floor high (huge alumni base and a huge state population with relatively little competition for fans instate), but I also think it's because a huge chunk of fans tuning into a given game aren't actually fans of either team...
 
#27      
I would bet a lot of $ that the B1G won't let FSU go to the Big 12. I've heard we'd be open to Clemson too, and UNC is bound for the SEC.

Then if A&M ever came around, the B1G would always have room, same for ND.

But, if the Big 12 somehow got UNC, Clemson, FSU, Miami/Virginia, it wold be really interesting.

That said, I'd be shocked if the B1G would just sit back and lose the state of Florida.
 
#28      
I would bet a lot of $ that the B1G won't let FSU go to the Big 12. I've heard we'd be open to Clemson too, and UNC is bound for the SEC.

Then if A&M ever came around, the B1G would always have room, same for ND.

But, if the Big 12 somehow got UNC, Clemson, FSU, Miami/Virginia, it wold be really interesting.

That said, I'd be shocked if the B1G would just sit back and lose the state of Florida.
Can't imagine we'd ever pass on FSU or TAMU. Too much money in football rich states to miss on them.

ND I would imagine is in the same boat that if they asked we wouldn't wait.
 
#29      
I wonder what the narrative would be around a TAMU move to the B1G. Of course they will spin it as the opportunity to join a premier national conference (while subtly indicating that the SEC is merely a "regional conference." But it's going to look so much more like TAMU is afraid to be in the same conference as UT. Because if they hate UT so much and also think they are better than them, then they should just stick around and beat them rather than running away to another conference. But at this level you may just take the egg on your face on the way out the door if you are ending up in a better and likely more prosperous situation.

If TAMU comes, I don't think I'll ever get over how we should have just added UT and OU when we had the chance. Both schools are much better cultural fits for the B1G than TAMU is. But if TAMU comes, hopefully that just means even more money in our pockets.
 
#34      
It is a joke and a kinda of lame one at that (the r/cfb regulars actually despise the TwitterX account and the guy behind).

Absolutely imho. No one would leave the B1G. Ever. Plus OU is not in the Big Ten lol
besides , no one leaves the BigTen
There is a scenario where this is happens and oddly the SEC getting FSU would be the catalyst. If the SEC gets FSU (with Clemson following), they basically win realignment and they are the Superconference with the Big Ten being a distant second. It is utterly silly for the SEC/ESPN to prefer UNC to FSU, UNC might be a sleeping giant in football but FSU is right fricking there. It is like (unrealistic hypothetical scenario coming) if Bayern Munich wanted to join the Premier League and the PL somehow wants a German team but rather want the Union Berlin and Hertha Berlin for the Berlin market lol. If SEC got FSU, they become the Super League of College Football, can eventually break away from FBS, and can pick anybody else they want after that even scUM and Ohio State at that point.
 
#35      
Wazzu and Oregon State will retain their postseason opportunities through the Pac-12's previous bowl agreements and that will continue through the 2025 season. The Pac-12 has agreements with the Holiday Bowl, Independence Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, LA Bowl, Sun Bowl, Alamo Bowl, and the ESPN bowl pool. The Rose Bowl is now part of the CFP and will host a quarterfinal and semifinal each season.
 
#38      
You may not trust the source but it is accredited source that chronicled the Pac-12's fall accurately


Welcome to the P3 era soon.
I would welcome a "Power Three Era" SO much more than our assumed Power Two timeline. It preserves the dignity of so many other fan bases, and you could even imagine a future where Oregon State and Wazzu get saved, even if that's optimistic.
 
#41      
i’m all for this P3

not sure tho how WSU or OreSt fit in
they could probably fit into the big 12 somewhere.

What I’d love to see is another conference improve their quality of play enough to spark a discussion of ‘power 4’. Specifically the mountain west with osu and wsu. I know the chances are astronomically low, but I’d still like to see that.

Hopefully a non power 2 1/2 team can make a run in the playoffs every once in a while.
 
#43      
According to @Genetics56, the SEC part is true, but the Big Ten part is misleading. It might even be a negotiating tactic for the time that the B1G offer comes. So whether you take one side or the other as gospel, it seems like a mistake to believe FSU to the B1G or not is a certainty.
 
#44      
it’s simply not something the networks are excited about and therefore aren’t willing to pay for .

when you come late to the party , sometimes all chairs are taken
 
#45      
According to @Genetics56, the SEC part is true, but the Big Ten part is misleading. It might even be a negotiating tactic for the time that the B1G offer comes. So whether you take one side or the other as gospel, it seems like a mistake to believe FSU to the B1G or not is a certainty.

FWLIW, I think the only way FSU joins the Big12 is if they don't get an invitation from the BIG. And I find that premise to be near laughable. 3 beach houses on it (Grizz's, but still).

A whole lotta BS being spewed by some pundits/cheerleaders here
 
#48      
they could probably fit into the big 12 somewhere.

What I’d love to see is another conference improve their quality of play enough to spark a discussion of ‘power 4’. Specifically the mountain west with osu and wsu. I know the chances are astronomically low, but I’d still like to see that.

Hopefully a non power 2 1/2 team can make a run in the playoffs every once in a while.
If Clemson and FSU leave for the Big Ten or Big 12, you could make a strong argument that the Mountain West would immediately be on par with the ACC in football. Even without the Mountain West adding WSU and OSU. There was also an interesting article yesterday about the Mountain West possibly souring on the idea of adding those schools

 
#49      
This is all bored, summer writing. No chance FSU/Clemson are aggressively pursuing an out from their GOR to partner with the Big 12. They can't figure a way out with the potential BIG/SEC money waiting.

I could definitely see both the Big 12 and the ACC schools wanting to get out, firing off anything they can in attempt to get the BIG/SEC to commit. FSU/Clemson/UNC to the Big 10 and SEC would position the Big 12 for another round of poaching with the next tier.

I have to imagine that this is also what has WSU/OSU holding off joining any conference right now. A few teams get pulled away from the ACC, that has to be their preference to rejoin Stanford/Cal somewhere. As a New Mexico fan, I'm genuinely hoping this happens. If it doesn't, those two schools are going to take the best of the MWC and AAC and build a new conference (with UNM almost certainly not included). Just my hypothesis, but little gets talked about how obviously WSU/OSU have to be rooting for the ACC to take a hit.
 
#50      
any remaining B12 school is NOT getting invited to B1G/SEC

that ship has sailed .
 
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