Ty Rodgers to take redshirt year

the juiceman cometh · 2024-11-08T09:29:20-0600

bleedorange and blue said:
Agree, if you don't want to be here and be an active part of the team,,,,leave. But to suck up a roster space,train,get paid just doesn't seem right. Hopefully the NIL stuff gets a few rules, contracts something. Been illini since the 60s, miss the loyalty of the old days

1. It's not like they have someone they could give his roster spot to if he were to leave right now. Even if there were, there is already one scholarship spot left open, just in case. Him continuing to take up a roster spot does not hurt the team.

2. Him training with the team is not only good for him, it's good for the team.

3. The rules are clear that NIL can not be pay-for-play. If he were to stop getting his NIL, that would look like pay-for-play, and could be dicey territory for the program. Do I wish his $300k or whatever could instead be allocated towards getting a top transfer next season? Of course. But that's not how it works and that $300k lost is just the cost of doing business at this point.

Illinirog70 · 2024-11-08T10:02:29-0600

Plus, $550K isn't chopped liver. I have very little time for people who sit and complain. At least he did the right thing and left. I respect him for that. I'll bet he's still getting paid something by the school, and it was a negotiated departure.

"If you're not 100% in, you're out."

SeattleSlim · 2024-11-08T10:51:52-0600

Redshirts should be more restrictive (i.e., health or hardship related).

Birdus · 2024-11-08T11:11:31-0600

Wish Ty the best of luck. Great guy.

the juiceman cometh · 2024-11-08T11:49:32-0600

SeattleSlim said:
Redshirts should be more restrictive (i.e., health or hardship related).

This would be a terrible idea, particularly in football where players are redshirted all the time because they just aren't ready to be on the field yet. Even in basketball, it would end the days of guys like Jakstys coming to a program like ours if they'd have to burn a year of eligibility knowing they won't see the court.

Redshirts are already restricted in that you only get one (barring subsequent medical or hardship). There's no reason to make it more restrictive than that.

BWA · 2024-11-08T12:10:05-0600

the juiceman cometh said:
This would be a terrible idea, particularly in football where players are redshirted all the time because they just aren't ready to be on the field yet. Even in basketball, it would end the days of guys like Jakstys coming to a program like ours if they'd have to burn a year of eligibility knowing they won't see the court.

Redshirts are already restricted in that you only get one (barring subsequent medical or hardship). There's no reason to make it more restrictive than that.

You could in theory limit it to Freshman and sophomores if you want to try to prevent the NIL impacts of guys like Ty Redshirting.

Illiniguy13 · 2024-11-08T12:16:52-0600

illini510 said:
I haven't seen anything from Tre White yet that Ty Rodgers couldn't do. Maybe he will flash in games but he's likely the 6th or 7th option in terms of scoring. Will Riley might be coming for his spot if he learns how to defend. At this point, you got KJ, Riley, Ivisic, Boswell, DGL, maybe Humrichous who are all going to be getting the ball. So, is it really worth alienating Ty Rodgers for a guy who won't even be a top 5 option on his own team?

I can name something! Shooting the basketball.

illini55 · 2024-11-08T12:41:00-0600

illini510 said:
Ty Rodgers has better efficiency ratings on both sides of the ball than Tre White. The point was made by another poster a few pages ago. So, I'd contend that having him in a more prominent role would not lessen the efficiency of the team as a whole. If you contend otherwise, then back it up with stats to prove Tre White is a more efficient "overall" player than Ty Rodgers

The die was cast when Brad signed Tre White. If he had intended to utilize Rodgers to any great extent this year, he would have passed on White. No one knows who's better, no one will ever know definitively. What we do know is what Brad thinks. Good enough for me.

Fly Illini Fly! · 2024-11-08T12:41:10-0600

illini510 said:
I haven't seen anything from Tre White yet that Ty Rodgers couldn't do. Maybe he will flash in games but he's likely the 6th or 7th option in terms of scoring. Will Riley might be coming for his spot if he learns how to defend. At this point, you got KJ, Riley, Ivisic, Boswell, DGL, maybe Humrichous who are all going to be getting the ball. So, is it really worth alienating Ty Rodgers for a guy who won't even be a top 5 option on his own team?

No one was "alienated". Ty himself saw that he won't be able to crack the rotation to the point where he could get his desired playing time... and therefore (and most of all) HE made a decision for HIMSELF.

Like, my goodness... your non-stop paragraph long posts this whole 18 page thread...

Illini2010-11 · 2024-11-08T12:56:30-0600

Fly Illini Fly! said:
No one was "alienated". Ty himself saw that he won't be able to crack the rotation to the point where he could get his desired playing time... and therefore (and most of all) HE made a decision for HIMSELF.

Like, my goodness... your non-stop paragraph long posts this whole 18 page thread...

Ignore button is a beautiful thing.

Get yourself a new map · 2024-11-08T13:07:37-0600

Illiniguy13 said:
I can name something! Shooting the basketball.

I think 510 implies that we want to see MAKING of shots. And that's really the most important part of the shot.... Anyone one can just take em!
Kidding and stats aside, my primary concern has been that I've not been impressed based on eye test for a couple guys at the 3/4. Granted it's a very limited sample size, but when someone has a blah game, I want to at least see some signs. Didn't expect Hum-dog to be a great athlete, but it's actually been a little worse than I had imagined (skill is apparent, release looks good even if they aren't going in yet; solid catch/finish in traffic the other night). CB obviously a freak but it's not looked very fluid - crosses his feet and swings his arms like Pete Townsend when moving laterally. TW looks kinda beach muscly or something; not known for being explosive but on an obvious lower tier athletically compared to Ty; the basketball has not compensated to date, IMO (again, small sample size).
Think Ty just didn't get comfortable with the appropriate decisions on the offensive side. Was trying to force dribble hand-offs and paint touches that just weren't there in that exhibition. Needs to reset and just play ball again. Maybe take an ayahuasca retreat.

Calvin · 2024-11-08T13:28:19-0600

Fly Illini Fly! said:
No one was "alienated". Ty himself saw that he won't be able to crack the rotation to the point where he could get his desired playing time... and therefore (and most of all) HE made a decision for HIMSELF.

Not an insider, but I think it's as simple as Ty was asked to put in the work on his shot and get to where he could still space the floor with this group. Ty brings a lot --physical, great defender, great rebounder, great character. But, it seems that without more shooting, he doesn't fit well in this offense. And I seriously doubt they planned for failure. So he worked on his shot but now they're at a juncture where the thing that's in his best interest is probably to move on. Sucks in a lot of ways, but at this level of competition when things don't work out you make changes.

uofi7477 · 2024-11-08T13:44:47-0600

Get yourself a new map said:
I think 510 implies that we want to see MAKING of shots. And that's really the most important part of the shot.... Anyone one can just take em!
Kidding and stats aside, my primary concern has been that I've not been impressed based on eye test for a couple guys at the 3/4. Granted it's a very limited sample size, but when someone has a blah game, I want to at least see some signs. Didn't expect Hum-dog to be a great athlete, but it's actually been a little worse than I had imagined (skill is apparent, release looks good even if they aren't going in yet; solid catch/finish in traffic the other night). CB obviously a freak but it's not looked very fluid - crosses his feet and swings his arms like Pete Townsend when moving laterally. TW looks kinda beach muscly or something; not known for being explosive but on an obvious lower tier athletically compared to Ty; the basketball has not compensated to date, IMO (again, small sample size).
Think Ty just didn't get comfortable with the appropriate decisions on the offensive side. Was trying to force dribble hand-offs and paint touches that just weren't there in that exhibition. Needs to reset and just play ball again. Maybe take an ayahuasca retreat.

Who does CB swing his arms like?

BigOnILL · 2024-11-08T13:54:15-0600

illini510 said:
I haven't seen anything from Tre White yet that Ty Rodgers couldn't do. Maybe he will flash in games but he's likely the 6th or 7th option in terms of scoring. Will Riley might be coming for his spot if he learns how to defend. At this point, you got KJ, Riley, Ivisic, Boswell, DGL, maybe Humrichous who are all going to be getting the ball. So, is it really worth alienating Ty Rodgers for a guy who won't even be a top 5 option on his own team?

I have seen a lot of comparisons between Tre White and Ty Rodgers and that it was one or the other and I dont think that is the case, especially when you look at how this team was built.

4/1/24 Jake Davis commits
4/9/24 Tre White commits
4/14/24 Kylan Boswell commits
4/16/24 Carey Booth commits
4/30/24 Ben Humrichous commits
5/6/24 Tomislav Ivisic commits
5/28/24 Kasparas Jakucionis commits
6/23/24 Will Riely commits

It's easy to look back in hindsight, but at the time Tre White committed, there was no idea how this team would come together. I mean there is no way Brad knew what the team would look like the next year. I would say that up until KJ and Will came on board, there was still plenty of minutes for both Tre and Ty. As much as we appreciate Ty, I don't think there is anyone saying they would rather have Ty than either one of KJ or Will.

It's unfortunate for Ty that it worked out this way and I wish him the best in his future endeavors.

Joel Goodson · 2024-11-08T14:00:03-0600

the juiceman cometh said:
1. It's not like they have someone they could give his roster spot to if he were to leave right now. Even if there were, there is already one scholarship spot left open, just in case. Him continuing to take up a roster spot does not hurt the team.

2. Him training with the team is not only good for him, it's good for the team.

3. The rules are clear that NIL can not be pay-for-play. If he were to stop getting his NIL, that would look like pay-for-play, and could be dicey territory for the program. Do I wish his $300k or whatever could instead be allocated towards getting a top transfer next season? Of course. But that's not how it works and that $300k lost is just the cost of doing business at this point.

100% on all points.

"cost of business" - spot on. all NIL is sunk cost.

one final thought: big boy recruiting frequently results in collateral damage. it definitely did in this case. that said, if I could run it back, I'd very happily take each of our adds

pruman91 · 2024-11-08T14:06:17-0600

Illini2010-11 said:
Ignore button is a beautiful thing.

why yes , yes it is .........................it really really is..........................

Get yourself a new map · 2024-11-08T14:51:32-0600

Joel Goodson said:
100% on all points.

"cost of business" - spot on. all NIL is sunk cost.

one final thought: big boy recruiting frequently results in collateral damage. it definitely did in this case. that said, if I could run it back, I'd very happily take each of our adds

For some reason the mention of collateral damage in recruiting evokes the dead h**kers scene from the Norm Macdonald masterpiece, Dirty Work.

Emerson Bigguns · 2024-11-08T15:59:05-0600

illini510 said:
I haven't seen anything from Tre White yet that Ty Rodgers couldn't do. Maybe he will flash in games but he's likely the 6th or 7th option in terms of scoring. Will Riley might be coming for his spot if he learns how to defend. At this point, you got KJ, Riley, Ivisic, Boswell, DGL, maybe Humrichous who are all going to be getting the ball. So, is it really worth alienating Ty Rodgers for a guy who won't even be a top 5 option on his own team?

Clearly this was Ty's decision. You have seen very little of what most of the guys can do. Ty has been there every day. He knows where he is in the pecking order. He knows who he's likely to beat out and who is giving him fits in practice. As far as taking Tre, it wasn't necessarily an either/or scenario. When Tre committed the team had about 3 scholarship players. things could have played out in any number of ways that would have necessitated both guys playing large roles.

The wild card here is probably the addition of Riley late in the cycle. He was the last to be added and among the last to arrive on campus. Some of the veteran guys were probably pretty confident he wouldn't take their minutes...

So, the only fair question is, "is it really worth alienating Ty Rodgers to bring in Will Riley?", because that was the point in the recruiting cycle when that may have been adding one too many 3/4 types for all of them to play a lot.

I think when all is said and done, coach ends up being vindicated on that decision.

the juiceman cometh · 2024-11-08T16:36:12-0600

Get yourself a new map said:
For some reason the mention of collateral damage in recruiting evokes the dead h**kers scene from the Norm Macdonald masterpiece, Dirty Work.

Lol, did not invoke that for me at all but I love that movie.

Warren Carter Fanclub · 2024-11-08T16:54:54-0600

I would like to work at a job that paid me for the whole year on January 1 before I did anything knowing that whatever happens I wouldn't have to return it.

FreshlySqueezed · 2024-11-08T19:09:54-0600

illini510 said:
I haven't seen anything from Tre White yet that Ty Rodgers couldn't do. Maybe he will flash in games but he's likely the 6th or 7th option in terms of scoring. Will Riley might be coming for his spot if he learns how to defend. At this point, you got KJ, Riley, Ivisic, Boswell, DGL, maybe Humrichous who are all going to be getting the ball. So, is it really worth alienating Ty Rodgers for a guy who won't even be a top 5 option on his own team?

Were you watching the first 3 minutes of tonight's game? Because Tre White just did something Ty Rodgers can only dream of doing.

Get yourself a new map · 2024-11-08T19:13:03-0600

Get yourself a new map said:
I think 510 implies that we want to see MAKING of shots. And that's really the most important part of the shot.... Anyone one can just take em!
Kidding and stats aside, my primary concern has been that I've not been impressed based on eye test for a couple guys at the 3/4. Granted it's a very limited sample size, but when someone has a blah game, I want to at least see some signs. Didn't expect Hum-dog to be a great athlete, but it's actually been a little worse than I had imagined (skill is apparent, release looks good even if they aren't going in yet; solid catch/finish in traffic the other night). CB obviously a freak but it's not looked very fluid - crosses his feet and swings his arms like Pete Townsend when moving laterally. TW looks kinda beach muscly or something; not known for being explosive but on an obvious lower tier athletically compared to Ty; the basketball has not compensated to date, IMO (again, small sample size).
Think Ty just didn't get comfortable with the appropriate decisions on the offensive side. Was trying to force dribble hand-offs and paint touches that just weren't there in that exhibition. Needs to reset and just play ball again. Maybe take an ayahuasca retreat.

Ha okay good start, Tre

KingWolf11 · 2024-11-08T19:15:15-0600

Tre came from putting up numbers and doing nothing but losing Rodgers has been a role player on winning teams. Perhaps its not a Tre vs Ty skill wise but what role they are comfortable playing.