Michigan coach Juwan Howard takes swing at Wisconsin assistant coach

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altgeld88
IlliniKat91 said:
The worst for us was 2-3 years ago with Chin and Iowa.

Notice how our head coach never made it onto ESPN for slapping someone. Or any of our staff.

Handshake lines are something done to emphasize sportsmanship. The losing team shouldn't pout and the winning team shouldn't gloat. Even hyper competitive people need to learn and maintain that lesson.

I don't think you get rid of the lines, but the conference offices clearly need to refresh all schools on handshake guidelines.
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This^ 100%.

The handshake line is crucial in college basketball because it is such a physical game. Same concept when I played hockey. Even at 50 playing no-checking pickup with an over-40 group once a week, that handshake line at the end of the 90-minute skate was very important. Every week at least a couple people had gotten chippy, or the goalies were hacked off because some of the shots got a little elevated. We were all old men at that point and yet that competitive fire and reflexive aggression was still there. The handshake line diffused any ill will and enabled us to reconvene weekly in fun and fellowship.
 
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B-ILL
HailtotheChief said:
Well th all due respect KevinC. Coach Howard is a big string man. Coach Gaurd didn't grab him with any force other than to shake hands and talk. He is old and can't stop Juwan from going anywhere he wanted to. There is no excuse for coach Howard's behavior. If a professor at U of M did that to a peer he would be fired. Howrads won't be.
That's in spite if absolutely no remorse on coach Howard's part this far. I'm sure he will be told to apologize if he wants his job but that will have no merit. If a player did that in a bar they would be arrested and he should be too. Diabte was throw blows too , Michigan us lucky there are no arrests thus far
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Now that you mention it, Howard is kind of a big string man.
 
#279      
Ransom Stoddard
If this were to go to a trial with Mr. Howard as the defendant, the most damaging evidence is him saying "don't f'ing touch me" while grabbing a fist full of Gard's shirt. I don't see that as a man trying to defuse a situation or take the high road.

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#280      
danielb927
There's no world in which I won't expect two groups of young men (led by groups of grown men) to be able to shake hands with each other after a game of basketball. That's what's so great about sports: you're allowed, heck, even encouraged to hate the crap out of the other guy, but at the end of the day, you still have to respect that you're both playing the same game with the same goals.
 
#283      
ElGran
nichi said:
Gard placed his left hand on Howard's right arm and appeared to be about to offer his right hand. It looked like a conciliatory gesture to me. Like he was going to shake hands.

Some are saying Gard 'put his hands on Howard'; which is an attempt to place blame on both sides and is inaccurate. Some even say Gard grabbed Howard.
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That's how I view it. It's a crowded handshake line. Some bumping and touching the other's chest is assumed. That some want to use this as an excuse for Howard is disturbing. That someone has an escuse to escalate a situation because he is upset is not a positive in our society. I've seen too much of this garbage over the years in our conference. How Bobby Knight avoided significant punishment for his antics is a tragedy.

Also, the players on both sides who threw punches should be suspended. Diabate should be out for the season.

Howard IMO is a first rate POS in addition to being a poor coach.
 
#284      
sully
I made the mistake of having ESBSPN on this morning and that northwestern wussycat dork Greenberg and that dumb slow talking meathead Kendrick Perkins making excuses for Juwan Howard. (their idiotic takes are at the start of the video) Perkins' was stupidly justifying Juwan's actions and even stated the teams shouldn't shake hands after a hard fought game because of " high emotions". SMDH God forbid coaches and players show good sportsmanship. Idiot.
 
#285      
Illiniindian
ChiefGritty said:
Gard also should be apologetic for acting like a toddler in that situation. Forget any of the basketball stuff, be the bigger person in the handshake line.

Did Krabbenhoft even do anything? It didn't look like it to me, but what else could Howard have been reacting to?
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Yeah, everything was moving so fast.. no clue why Howard slapped him
 
#286      
BackThatPassUp
Ransom Stoddard said:
Irrelevant. You don't say don't touch me and then grab the person you think is causing you offense.
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It's very relevant because you're not grasping the proper legal theory. For starters, let's get the facts straight. Howard didn't want to stop and shake his hand. Gard did grab him and pull him in to try and tell him something. Secondly, the fact that he's saying "don't bleeping touch me" highlights his presence of mind that he was being assaulted which would help him. Thirdly, the most damaging aspect of this is that he was separated from the perceived threat for several seconds and then slapped another party. The interaction with Gard is the red herring with respect to Howard's problems. Gard grabbing Howard may bring about a small infraction for him and can be viewed as the catalyst similar to Ben Wallace's suspension for starting the malice at the palace.
 
#287      
phats22
danielb927 said:
There's no world in which I won't expect two groups of young men (led by groups of grown men) to be able to shake hands with each other after a game of basketball. That's what's so great about sports: you're allowed, heck, even encouraged to hate the crap out of the other guy, but at the end of the day, you still have to respect that you're both playing the same game with the same goals.
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This.
also, since I've been watching NBA regularly this year (thanks, Ayo!), one thing i hadn't appreciated previously is how friendly 99% of players are with each other after the game. even when players are absolutely battling on court, overwhelmingly they are smiles and encouragement after the buzzer. if they can get it right, can't expect less from the college ranks- good sportsmanship and professionalism
 
#288      
Orangetool
The comical action of Howard saying "don't touch me" while grabbing a handful of Gard's shirt, reminds me of the Victoria's Secret Karen nutjob chasing a woman around the store saying "get away from me!"

Howard, what a pathetic goof.
 
#289      
illinitiger
Just hard for me to understand how a coach could do that and not at some point take responsibility...."I'm very sorry...I let my emotions get the best of me..." or something similar.

If he worked for me and could not recognize his actions were not right, he would be gone...
 
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#290      
sacraig
Ransom Stoddard said:
Irrelevant. You don't say don't touch me and then grab the person you think is causing you offense.
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Let's just ignore legalese for a moment. It's actually very common to grab someone while saying "don't touch me" or "knock it off" or something to that effect. Why? It's intimidation. One possible reaction to feeling threatened is to intimidate the perceived aggressor into backing down, and that's clearly what a reaction like that is attempting.

Having said that, the problem here is fourfold.
  1. This is a college basketball game in the handshake line, not a Pizza Hut parking lot after high school.
  2. Juwan Howard is a grown-!!! man in a position where he is expected to be coaching and developing a group of young adults on and off the court.
  3. He still escalated a verbal argument into a physical altercation. In fact, it sure seems like on several occasions he is the one who escalated the situation ultimately leading to the brawl.
  4. The manchild doubled down on his response afterward.
 
#291      
destindog
illinoistradition said:
I'm just happy that our only remaining road game will be against a weakened and frazzled Michigan team, which still leaves us in the driver's seat to win a title if we win our toughest game remaining against OSU.
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Be careful what you wish for. Maybe an assistant coach will do better.. See 1989 when Fisher took over for Freider. It changed everything for that team.
 
#292      
BackThatPassUp
phats22 said:
This.
also, since I've been watching NBA regularly this year (thanks, Ayo!), one thing i hadn't appreciated previously is how friendly 99% of players are with each other after the game. even when players are absolutely battling on court, overwhelmingly they are smiles and encouragement after the buzzer. if they can get it right, can't expect less from the college ranks- good sportsmanship and professionalism
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Some of that might be the fact that they're all millionaires and just earned another fat check.
 
#293      
Rocky
ILFaninFL said:
My prediction from here is that Michigan loses their remaining games as morale hits rock bottom. Howard might not be fired right away, but I could see him stepping down after the collapse.
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One can only hope for the first part, but the second?
 
#294      
sacraig
illinoistradition said:
I'm just happy that our only remaining road game will be against a weakened and frazzled Michigan team, which still leaves us in the driver's seat to win a title if we win our toughest game remaining against OSU.
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Y'all remember that one time we played a weakened, frazzled Michigan team that just walked off the tarmac in their practice jerseys after being in a plane crash and we got our tails spanked? Let's not count our chickens.

Having said that, I have a lot more confidence in this team and this coaching staff than the one from the aforementioned incident.
 
#295      
PapaKvells
sully said:
I made the mistake of having ESBSPN on this morning and that northwestern wussycat dork Greenberg and that dumb slow talking meathead Kendrick Perkins making excuses for Juwan Howard. (their idiotic takes are at the start of the video) Perkins' was stupidly justifying Juwan's actions and even stated the teams shouldn't shake hands after a hard fought game because of " high emotions". SMDH God forbid coaches and players show good sportsmanship. Idiot.
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The whole purpose of the handshake line is so sportsmanship prevails over emotions after a competitive game.

IMHO, I don’t care about suspensions, fines or firings or any other top down response. The worst thing/best thing/most appropriate thing that could happen to Michigan is a top recruit or two recommits from Michigan. That would be a three to four year pain point delivered organically from the bottom up. If your kid has great talent, you want them to gain the discipline to be successful after college whether it’s in the NBA, business, law, medicine, etc. Howard doesn’t look like he is qualified to teach discipline.
 
#296      
Vinegarben
Totally unacceptable. He went to the back of the line for handshake after game instead of leading his players which tells me he was looking for a conflict. The Big needs to come down hard on him, don't expect Michigan to do much. The 2 players that were involved need to be suspended also for remaining regular season games. I don't believe for one instant that Greg Gard did anything out of line to provoke him. The Big kissed his !!! last year and gave Michigan the conference title when they only played 17 games compared to the Illin's 20 and besides Illinois kicked their butt in Ann Arbor.
 
#297      
altgeld88
destindog said:
Be careful what you wish for. Maybe an assistant coach will do better.. See 1989 when Fisher took over for Freider. It changed everything for that team.
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That team had an order of magnitude greater talent, seasoning and poise than this Michigan team does.
 
#298      
HailtotheChief
B-ILL said:
Now that you mention it, Howard is kind of a big string man.
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Lol Hey I'm 59 my eyes are crappy and my thumbs are fat! Lol. Goodman is saying the B10 unmentioned source that Howard's out til the NCAA Tourney starts if they even make it.
 
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CHI 1086
So, many of you think that JH is responsible for molding young men. Where was JH molded? I wouldn't be surprised if little or nothing happens. This is what "culture" looks like:poop::cautious:
 
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