Michigan coach Juwan Howard takes swing at Wisconsin assistant coach

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DMWSuperFan
ElGran said:
Yeah, I don't think the Wisconsin assistant will want to press charges. But he certainly would be justified in doing so.
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I imagine there is some sort of contract since this is between two Big 10 coaches that protects the Big 10 from liability and likely to some degree limits personal suits (depending on the damage inflicted), so I would agree that I wouldn’t expect him to press charges.
 
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IlliniKat91
UnionParty said:
Great article and a take I can agree with:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...o-blame-for-overshadowing-sports-big-weekend/
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The article from the Athletic had a similar take.

The one thing I hadn't been considering while discussing this here is what happened with Maryland last year. I don't know what was said to Howard then, but he was clearly ready to charge Turgeon and have it out on national TV. Turgeon wasn't near him, and Howard was the aggressor. Unless Turgeon unleashed a racial slur or something equally vile (which we would have heard about), there's no reason to charge like that. As the 50 year old head coach, you need to keep it together.

Why bring this up? Wisconsin's assistant inserted himself into a situation he shouldn't have, true, but Howard escalated beyond pushing and shoving. That's why he should bear the bulk of the blame here. It's twice in less than a year Howard has been involved in this kind of thing with two different Big Ten teams. That's the start of a trend.

As for the assistant's contact with Michigan players, everyone was jostling each other. I'm not on board with the argument that Howard was defending a player. Also, his eyes never left the assistant coach. If he had been reacting to what happened to his player, I would think we'd see a noticable reaction from him. I also think he would have dropped that piece of knowledge along with him explaining that he felt the need to defend himself. It certainly would have made him look and sound more sympathetic if nothing else.
 
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Illini in Italy
UnionParty said:
He pushed two Michigan players right before the five finger reprimand.
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#259      
SescIllini
jason88cubs said:
Oh gee look at that, over a week ago Juwan called a timeout down 14 with 35 seconds left

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Also his team took a 3 with 20 seconds left when they had a large lead. They also sparred Purdue no embarrassment in hitting 3 after 3 in their blow out win. It happens, but he is the only coach that reacts like he neefs to come to blows.
 
#260      
OrangeLife
KingWolf11 said:
Really hope he doesn’t get fired because he’s just a below average coach. We’ve seen what Michigan can be.the
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I agree, I think the majority of P5 coaches would have a much better record with this roster. On the other hand, most wouldn't have been able to recruit this roster.
:rolleyes: He is clearly in need of some anger management and is unapologetic though, so I think for the sake of college basketball he needs to at least be suspended the rest of the season if not fired. Punishment for a number of players on both sides is warranted as well. Let's hope Michigan doesn't leave this up to our illustrious leader (Warren) as I don't trust him to do the right thing here.
 
#261      
Boomauer
Guess the Big Ten coaches need to have a pow wow to discuss the proper way to end a game. Each coach can list the circumstances that would lead them into the land of butthurt.
 
#262      
jrichisamazing
Why wouldn't Michigan fire him? You get out of the contract with cause so the University is happy they aren't giving up tons of money. Juwan Howard has potential, but that's all it is. I don't see why Michigan would stick their neck out to defend a coach that has proven very little. They have enough pedigree to hire someone else who is proven and without the baggage.

Plus, Juwan's recruiting could be severely damaged because of this. It's one thing if a fight breaks out and a coach comes in to protect his players. But it's a completely different conversation when the coach starts the fight himself. I'd have to think a lot of parents see that and automatically cross Michigan off the list if Juwan is still the head coach.
 
#263      
WyattEarp
trtl said:
As Deon Thomas (I think) recently said, “How do you know you’re talking to someone who went to Michigan? They tell you 5 times in the first 2 minutes of the conversation.”
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Similarly, but different…

You know that you’re dealing with someone who went to Iowa because you’re having WAY too much trouble making out 2 actual words (in ANY human language) of what is surely the longest 5 minutes of your life.

Then just as suddenly as the encounter began the subject becomes skittish and scampers off to forage elsewhere.
 
#264      
Stevegarbs
WyattEarp said:
Similarly, but different…

You know that you’re dealing with someone who went to Iowa because you’re having WAY too much trouble making out 2 actual words (in ANY human language) of what is surely the longest 5 minutes of your life.

Then just as suddenly as the encounter began the subject becomes skittish and scampers off to forage elsewhere.
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I usually just pay them for the pizza and then say "you can go now." Sometimes I have to point back to where they parked their car.
 
#265      
illini55
IlliniKat91 said:
It costs the State money to prosecute a case. Unless there's serious injury or loss of life, they have no motivation to pursue anything, regardless of what we'd like.

He acted like an !!!. It's going to be up to Michigan and the Big Ten if anything happens to him.
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That was no act...
 
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nichi
the national said:
Honest question, what did Gard do? I’ve watched the video but I still don’t see a lot of fault there (unless he said something or did something in the melee.)
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Gard placed his left hand on Howard's right arm and appeared to be about to offer his right hand. It looked like a conciliatory gesture to me. Like he was going to shake hands.

Some are saying Gard 'put his hands on Howard'; which is an attempt to place blame on both sides and is inaccurate. Some even say Gard grabbed Howard.
 
#269      
altgeld88
illinitiger said:
Haji from MGOBLOG:

"Juwan will be gone. T-Will will not play this year at least. Moussa will not play this year and then try to go pro. Brooks, Hunter. and Jones are gone. Houstan will probably not play this year and then transfer because Juwan is gone and also he will look at the team and see there is not much left to try to build his game.

Juwan blew the whole team up with this disgrace. I'm pissed at him. You should be too. He just set the program back a few years.

Wisconsin guys I don't care but they will get time too."
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If you follow the thread after that comment you'll note that there's no apparently moderation on MGoBlog, actively from the proprietors and in expression via the commenters. It makes Loyalty look like afternoon tea in the drawing room with Lady Edith playing the harpsichord in the corner.
 
#270      
NB2D
I really think that the handshake line is a joke. I recall last season that our coaches had words with Iowa coaches and this season Brad had choice things to say to Matt Painter at the end of the last game when we had subs in at the end and Painter left his starters in. And then there was the Pizza Hut incident.
 
#271      
ILFaninFL
My prediction from here is that Michigan loses their remaining games as morale hits rock bottom. Howard might not be fired right away, but I could see him stepping down after the collapse.
 
#272      
nichi
No win situation for Warren. Howard should be gone. He grabbed an opposing HC in a threatening manner and struck an opposing assistant. Also the two Michigan players who threw multiple punches should be done for the season.

I guess one Wisconsin player threw punches. He should be suspended too.

Will Warren slap Gard with a suspension for attempting to shake hands? Is there a rule against touching Juwann Howard?

How about Krabbenhoft for pushing players apart? Is that against the rules? That is what assistant coaches do.

Yet there will be pressure on Warren to take some action for the sake of optics.
 
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altgeld88
ILFaninFL said:
My prediction from here is that Michigan loses their remaining games as morale hits rock bottom. Howard might not be fired right away, but I could see him stepping down after the collapse.
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I doubt it. The hubris in that guy is like granite. Only if it appears he will lose his job will he even begin to acknowledge reality. And Warde Manuel is not going to fire him IMO. It'll likely be a harsh wrist slap that will prevent the BT front office from intervening further while enabling JH to remain in place.

A 50-year-old guy with that temperament and those behaviors ingrained will only change when something catastrophic occurs to him and the bottom drops out. And even then... look at Bob Knight. He never took responsibility for his actions over decades and maintained his moral superiority, and end-justifies-the-means M.O., until his faculties deserted him. Dial up Jeremy Schaap's interview with him right after he got canned at IU if you want to see some hubris.
 
#274      
Monticello
I just watched an unedited, up close video from a sideline reporter. It showed a few more players throwing punches on both sides. I would be surprised if both coaches (and a few staff) aren't suspended for two games. I believe I heard Tate say on the radio this morning that the B1G can only suspend for two, and it would be up to the member schools to dole out anything additional. That said, I believe I saw three separate Wisconsin players throwing punches. Sorry if this is posted already:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1495542330023108616
 
#275      
IlliniKat91
NB2D said:
I really think that the handshake line is a joke. I recall last season that our coaches had words with Iowa coaches and this season Brad had choice things to say to Matt Painter at the end of the last game when we had subs in at the end and Painter left his starters in. And then there was the Pizza Hut incident.
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The worst for us was 2-3 years ago with Chin and Iowa.

Notice how our head coach never made it onto ESPN for slapping someone. Or any of our staff.

Handshake lines are something done to emphasize sportsmanship. The losing team shouldn't pout and the winning team shouldn't gloat. Even hyper competitive people need to learn and maintain that lesson.

I don't think you get rid of the lines, but the conference offices clearly need to refresh all schools on handshake guidelines.
 
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