There’s a reason Brad told Josh to pay Orlando whatever it takes to get him here@Indy Illini Fan …..and he still might be under payed
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If he re-classed and committed to us, would he join this coming season? I'm thinking classes start in a few weeks.
There’s a reason Brad told Josh to pay Orlando whatever it takes to get him here
Nah. These high profile guys are not ambassadors. They don't care what college they attend, as long as they get their money.
Mercenaries would be a more appropriate term.
Do we really think this is THAT different from when shoe companies were doing this under the table?
I'm sure a bunch of Chicago kids desperately wanted to go to Lawrence, KS & Lexington, KY for 1-2 years to hang out. Provo, UT isn't much different.
Exactly. There is NO difference.
And just fascinating that in the first year or so of NIL that Kansas and Kentucky are struggling compared to what they did historically.
I didn’t say (or imply) it was different. Just calling it what it is.
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
NIL dwarfs NIke/Adidas payouts. Only a few universities were paying players - Kansas, UK, Duke, AZ, Michigan, Louisville etc, Now with NIL everybody can do it without cheating. Should be interesting to see how it all turns out. Great to see players get a share of pot instead of it all going to coaches and university.
I think skyrocketing coaches salaries was the genesis for the pay-to-play movement. The gulf between player and coach renumeration just became too wide to sweep under the rug.
Honestly, I think the additional the transfer portal and COVID years kind of cloud the impact a bit. Are we really seeing 4 and 5 star recruits start to eschew the traditional powerhouses in favor of other schools to get paid?
Or has the transfer portals ability to add instant impact proven talent eaten into the minutes at that level which forces some of the other kids to look elsewhere for immediate playing time?
Personally I think it's probably a bit of both. Obviously, Bailey and Harper ended up at Rutgers and they would get minutes at any program in the country.
I do.
The difference is that only the very best players used to be worth the risk of paying them. And that's the thing, there used to be a risk associated with paying players which kept the market in check.
I guarantee the total amount of money paid to players today dwarves what was sent to players before NIL. And if it doesn't, then why did players fight so hard for this change? Why do we act like they're finally getting their fair share if they've always gotten their fair share?
It is different now. It's up to the individual to determine how that affects their fandom.
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
Top 14 ranked classes
Blue bloods
Duke #1
North Carolina #8
UConn #11 ?
Missing
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Louisville?
Michigan State?
AZ?
Times have changed - NIL, transfer portal, old legends retiring - Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Roy Williams, Rick Pittino, Jim Calhoun, Tom Izzo
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Hot coaches today - Dan Hurley, Scott Drew, Mark Few, Nate Oates, TJ Otzelberger
2nd tier: Mick Cronin, Brad, Shaka Smart, Eric Musselman
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Blue bloods
Duke #1
North Carolina #8
UConn #11 ?
Missing
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Louisville?
Michigan State?
AZ?
Times have changed - NIL, transfer portal, old legends retiring - Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Roy Williams, Rick Pittino, Jim Calhoun, Tom Izzo
.....Hot coaches today - Dan Hurley, Scott Drew, Mark Few, Nate Oates, TJ Otzelberger
2nd tier: Mick Cronin, Brad, Shaka Smart, Eric Musselman
Blue bloods in college basketball - Wikipedia
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I'm not sure it's fair to say that they're both struggling. Kentucky isn't doing as well in recruiting after the coaching change, but Kansas continues to sign top transfers and top players. I think there are a couple other factors at play. One is that NIL means that no single team can afford to sign 5 of the top 8 players in the country any more. Too expensive. Another is that there are more players at the top now. BYU to name one example.
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
You could make argument transfers are more important than freshman since they are older and more ready to play. Of course 5 star freshman are different.
The Duke and KY model of signing five 5 star HS recruits every year is being challenged.
Illinois reloaded with
2 highly rated freshman (Morez and Riley)
2 highly rated more experenced Europeans (Tomas and KJ)
3 experienced transfers (Hamrichous, Trey, Kylan)
2 inexperienced transfers (Booth and Davis)
2 returning (DGL and Ty)
Purdue kept their roster for the most part intact and brought in 5 freshman. JMO their split the NIL equally program will not last.
The Duke and KY model of signing five 5 star HS recruits every year is being challenged.
Illinois reloaded with
2 highly rated freshman (Morez and Riley)
2 highly rated more experenced Europeans (Tomas and KJ)
3 experienced transfers (Hamrichous, Trey, Kylan)
2 inexperienced transfers (Booth and Davis)
2 returning (DGL and Ty)
Purdue kept their roster for the most part intact and brought in 5 freshman. JMO their split the NIL equally program will not last.
Top 14 ranked classes
Blue bloods
Duke #1
North Carolina #8
UConn #11 ?
Missing
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Louisville?
Michigan State?
AZ?
Times have changed - NIL, transfer portal, old legends retiring - Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Roy Williams, Rick Pittino, Jim Calhoun, Tom Izzo
Hot coaches today - Dan Hurley, Scott Drew, Mark Few, Nate Oates, TJ Otzelberger
2nd tier: Mick Cronin, Brad, Shaka Smart, Eric Musselman
Blue bloods in college basketball - Wikipedia
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It’s certainly subjective; and you’re obviously entitled to your opinion. But I would have a hard time saying Oats and Otz are a tier above Musselman…and I think Brad is prolly on par with at least Otz.Top 14 ranked classes
Blue bloods
Duke #1
North Carolina #8
UConn #11 ?
Missing
Kansas
Kentucky
UCLA
Indiana
Louisville?
Michigan State?
AZ?
Times have changed - NIL, transfer portal, old legends retiring - Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Roy Williams, Rick Pittino, Jim Calhoun, Tom Izzo
Hot coaches today - Dan Hurley, Scott Drew, Mark Few, Nate Oates, TJ Otzelberger
2nd tier: Mick Cronin, Brad, Shaka Smart, Eric Musselman
Blue bloods in college basketball - Wikipedia
Shaka is gonna have to do a little more of tap dance before I’d put him that high…after the way he fizzled out in Texas. JMO
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4 top 51 kids in our freshman haul & we aren’t in the top 10??
skyIdub
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Noblesville Illini
- Nappanee, IN
agreed. We should be ranked much higher. Any team that underrates us will get whipped.
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