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Coleman driving through campus one final time. Love the guy!
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GP | MIN | FG% | 3P% | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS |
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35 | 31.6 | 45.1 | 36.9 | 79.2 | 6.1 | 2.7 | 1.1 | 1.5 | 2.6 | 1.6 | 12.1 |
33 | 32.5 | 44.1 | 28.0 | 61.4 | 6.3 | 3.0 | 1.2 | 1.1 | 1.8 | 2.5 | 9.9 |
33 | 19.0 | 44.2 | 29.2 | 65.0 | 4.3 | 1.5 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 1.9 | 1.4 | 5.9 |
25 | 6.3 | 34.5 | 23.1 | 68.4 | 0.8 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.1 | 0.6 | 0.2 | 1.4 |
I believe the article was spot on and truthful and that's all I ever ask of journalists is to report facts. Shouldn't matter if Coleman was offended as he was likely hoping hoping NIL suitors would value him more highly if they thought he was likely to be drafted. Coleman is still one of the most sought after 'free agents' and he will still garner a big payday, which is what he desires. All good for Coleman, and Watkins and others that pulled out, who collect bigger payday than G-League.I didn’t pick up on that as being insulting, but clearly it was to Coleman…you’re right, Werner should’ve changed the language due to Coleman’s high level of engagement on social media. He was going to see it and say something…bad look. Still a big fan of both Coleman and Werner.
Werner isn't a representative of the Illini Athletic Department. He's running a professional organization that covers Illinois athletics, plain and simple. He's not paid to be a mouth-piece of the DIA. What he wrote was fine. Coleman might need to grow thicker skin.I didn’t pick up on that as being insulting, but clearly it was to Coleman…you’re right, Werner should’ve changed the language due to Coleman’s high level of engagement on social media. He was going to see it and say something…bad look. Still a big fan of both Coleman and Werner.
Agreed. He made a huge leap between 3rd and 4th year. If he makes a similar leap for year 5, he could help his NBA stock.I think he can certainly improve his NBA status by coming back. People forget - he was a HORRIBLE 3 point shooter until last year. A bad free throw percentage. And he was careless with the ball.
The only reason he received a sniff of NBA interest is because he increased his 3pt and free throw percentage and substantially decreased his turnovers.
Can he make another leap? Don't know, but if he does, then he certainly can be in the mix for an NBA slot.
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STATS 2023-24 2022-23 2021-22 2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 35 31.6 45.1 36.9 79.2 6.1 2.7 1.1 1.5 2.6 1.6 12.1 33 32.5 44.1 28.0 61.4 6.3 3.0 1.2 1.1 1.8 2.5 9.9 33 19.0 44.2 29.2 65.0 4.3 1.5 0.5 0.8 1.9 1.4 5.9 25 6.3 34.5 23.1 68.4 0.8 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.6 0.2 1.4
Yeah I think it was unnecessary for the Illini Inquirer tweet to lead with “ he’s not projected to be drafted” factually or not the headline is. Coleman withdrew from the draft and is going elsewhere- it seems they buried the leadMaybe it’s splitting hairs too much, but it would have been nice to avoid this:
You will always have the random twitter hot takes in the background that are unfortunate, but it just makes me sad to see Coleman feeling the need to defend himself from Werner’s article. I honestly would imagine it’s a tough time for him right now - he obviously would have greatly preferred to stay in the draft.
Sensitive much?? Nothing wrong with Werners article. He was not projected to be drafted, and that is OK.Ok, I want to preface this comment by first saying that:
1) I generally like Werner and intend what follows to just be constructive criticism (and a relatively minor one at that)
2) I like Coleman, feel bad for him that he's resorting to his plan B here, and wish him nothing but the best wherever he goes
3) I also really like the guys we've brought in to play in our front court - I can't wait to see what all 4 of Ivisic, Humrichous, Morez, and Booth can become.
Now, disclaimers out of the way, about this article:
I just wish Werner would have left the "not projected to be drafted" language out of this article. In my opinion it comes across as a minor, and yet unnecessary, shot at Coleman on his way out. I think it would have been better to just stick with something to the effect of: Coleman apparently didn't feel confident enough in landing a guaranteed contract, and has decided the best move for him will be to entertain NIL offers in the transfer portal. Let the national guys that actually do the draft projections explain those projects, but I'd rather the Illinois homer guys give Coleman a more positive spin. (And he does note Coleman's success and impact at Illinois, so I'm not saying that aspect wasn't there at all.)![]()
Reports: Coleman Hawkins withdraws from NBA Draft, to transfer to another program
Hawkins was not projected to be drafted and now is one of the top transfers on the market247sports.com
Maybe I'm quibbling too much here, but I just thought that the "not projected to be drafted" wording was unfortunate. Am I off base?
True. Again, I’m not saying what Werner wrote wasn’t true - as you say he cited the projections and he was factually correct to the letter of what he wrote.
My question was to the utility of saying it. But I probably should have been more clear in my original comment.
Appreciate your take
Edit: I'm realizing there is a fair bit of nuance here that I haven't done the best job of navigating. I'll try one more time:
1) What Werner wrote was factually correct in the sense that major outlets were indeed projecting Coleman outside of the top 60.
2) Coleman's tweet saying that Werner's article was a lie was technically incorrect, since Werner explicitly said Coleman was "not projected to be drafted" and then cited those projections
3) My guess is that Coleman's REAL issue would have been with those projections, if maybe he was being told in meetings and workouts that "hey we'll draft you, but it will be for a 2-way contract instead of a guaranteed one."
4) I still would have preferred Werner to hedge his article more toward "Coleman was not assured of a guaranteed contract" as opposed to "Coleman was not projected to be drafted". Both would have been true statements, but the first one is a bit less harsh than the second.
5). I realize I'm nitpicking and probably should have left the whole thing alone.
If Werner is reporting it, he doesn't just make stuff up for clicks, he is reputable. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he did hear from credible sources that Hawkins wasn't going to get drafted.Appreciate the comments.
And I’m not really questioning the truth of the statement - I’m in no position to know either way - but rather the utility or necessity of it. I just think Werner could’ve gone with “wasn’t assured of a guaranteed contract” as the reason for withdrawing, which is also likely true, but slightly less negative, in my view.
Maybe it’s splitting hairs too much, but it would have been nice to avoid this:
You will always have the random twitter hot takes in the background that are unfortunate, but it just makes me sad to see Coleman feeling the need to defend himself from Werner’s article. I honestly would imagine it’s a tough time for him right now - he obviously would have greatly preferred to stay in the draft.
This isn’t lost on me…your point is valid. I would say Werner knows Coleman well after 4 years and that Coleman would react negatively to this language…the situation is still raw for Coleman (still short of his dream) and for us (losing Coleman). And Coleman responded…with a lot of players and fans watching him on social media. I just don’t like the situation.Werner isn't a representative of the Illini Athletic Department. He's running a professional organization that covers Illinois athletics, plain and simple. He's not paid to be a mouth-piece of the DIA. What he wrote was fine. Coleman might need to grow thicker skin.
That is picking nits off of nits. What about being ranked in the 70s or lower by all the major draft services says "likely to be drafted"? He was unlikely to be drafted. Period. Not controversial.Ok, I want to preface this comment by first saying that:
1) I generally like Werner and intend what follows to just be constructive criticism (and a relatively minor one at that)
2) I like Coleman, feel bad for him that he's resorting to his plan B here, and wish him nothing but the best wherever he goes
3) I also really like the guys we've brought in to play in our front court - I can't wait to see what all 4 of Ivisic, Humrichous, Morez, and Booth can become.
Now, disclaimers out of the way, about this article:
I just wish Werner would have left the "not projected to be drafted" language out of this article. In my opinion it comes across as a minor, and yet unnecessary, shot at Coleman on his way out. I think it would have been better to just stick with something to the effect of: Coleman apparently didn't feel confident enough in landing a guaranteed contract, and has decided the best move for him will be to entertain NIL offers in the transfer portal. Let the national guys that actually do the draft projections explain those projects, but I'd rather the Illinois homer guys give Coleman a more positive spin. (And he does note Coleman's success and impact at Illinois, so I'm not saying that aspect wasn't there at all.)![]()
Reports: Coleman Hawkins withdraws from NBA Draft, to transfer to another program
Hawkins was not projected to be drafted and now is one of the top transfers on the market247sports.com
Maybe I'm quibbling too much here, but I just thought that the "not projected to be drafted" wording was unfortunate. Am I off base?
It’s always possible that CH could pull off a Podz type metamorphosis, but he can’t get 3 years younger.Good luck to Coleman. Totally makes sense to me that after 4 years with Brad and company, he would look for some new coaches to learn from and a new experience from which to grow. If what he is now, and has done for the last 4 years, hasn't been enough to get drafted, it only makes sense that he would look to make a change, to see if it results in growth and more opportunities. I hope he kills it next year.
And I, for one, would absolutely love it if the Illini met Coleman's team next year -- regular season or in the Tournament. That would be super entertaining, and I would love to see how all of the players, especially Coleman, and Illinois coaches would handle it. Must see TV!
About 10 years ago I suggested to some friends/family that the NCAA/Schools need to figure out a reasonable means of providing something like a stipend to the athletes. Based on the fact that scholarship agreements stated that the athletes could not work (don't remember the deatils) and were supposedly limited to 20-25 hours per week in team activities (also don't remember the details). I thought, why not pay them for those hours based on something like minimum wage, or other factors. I felt it would have kept the non-professional status and allowed them to be student athletes. I know it would not have eliminated the "hands out" mentality and backroom deals, but I think it would have avoided the current situtation. I felt it was just a matter of time before good attorneys got involved with these athletes. This was long before "NIL" was coined. And you are 100% correct about the NCAA businessmen not thinking it through very well. But, we have seen enough from the NCAA to not be surprised.A decade ago I wanted players to be made employees so they could be paid. Just like any other student who does a job for the university. The greedy NCAA and admin bastards just couldn't give up the money, so now we have this chaos. "They're amateurs!," they cried. No they weren't. They were doing a job while being a student. Just like an RA. Someone who works at the counseling office. A graduate TA. They were always employees.
And now? We have a ridiculous system that we couldn't have quite predicted. Coleman is looking for $2,000,000 and will likely get it (Arkansas, Kentucky, UConn, perhaps?). A great lesson - if you run a business and get excessively greedy, sometimes bad !!!! happens. Every bit of this was preventable.
In any event, good luck to Coleman, except when he plays Illinois!
I get what you're saying but I think there's more to it. He's getting NBA interest because he's a unique prospect. He's 6'10", can handle the ball, guard every position on the floor, great at pick & pop, very good 3 pt shooter when not having to create his own shot, good rebounder, good passer, can protect the rim, etc. Most of his shooting problems came from the fact that he was taking a lot of bad shots & his % went up last year b/c he took way better shots. Because of all of that, I still believe he's better suited for the pro game than college. This might cause a firestorm, but I actually think he would be a perfect fit on the Celtics in the role that Al Horford is playing. Not comparing him to Horford, who's had an amazing career...just saying he would be a way better defender, could guard multiple positions, and would shoot a similar percentage from 3.I think he can certainly improve his NBA status by coming back. People forget - he was a HORRIBLE 3 point shooter until last year. A bad free throw percentage. And he was careless with the ball.
The only reason he received a sniff of NBA interest is because he increased his 3pt and free throw percentage and substantially decreased his turnovers.
Can he make another leap? Don't know, but if he does, then he certainly can be in the mix for an NBA slot.
Career Stats
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STATS 2023-24 2022-23 2021-22 2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 35 31.6 45.1 36.9 79.2 6.1 2.7 1.1 1.5 2.6 1.6 12.1 33 32.5 44.1 28.0 61.4 6.3 3.0 1.2 1.1 1.8 2.5 9.9 33 19.0 44.2 29.2 65.0 4.3 1.5 0.5 0.8 1.9 1.4 5.9 25 6.3 34.5 23.1 68.4 0.8 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.6 0.2 1.4
I agree. I think his knee was a big hinderance to his draft stock this year.I get what you're saying but I think there's more to it. He's getting NBA interest because he's a unique prospect. He's 6'10", can handle the ball, guard every position on the floor, great at pick & pop, very good 3 pt shooter when not having to create his own shot, good rebounder, good passer, can protect the rim, etc. Most of his shooting problems came from the fact that he was taking a lot of bad shots & his % went up last year b/c he took way better shots. Because of all of that, I still believe he's better suited for the pro game than college. This might cause a firestorm, but I actually think he would be a perfect fit on the Celtics in the role that Al Horford is playing. Not comparing him to Horford, who's had an amazing career...just saying he would be a way better defender, could guard multiple positions, and would shoot a similar percentage from 3.
three years to eliminate that damn pump fakeI think he can certainly improve his NBA status by coming back. People forget - he was a HORRIBLE 3 point shooter until last year. A bad free throw percentage. And he was careless with the ball.
The only reason he received a sniff of NBA interest is because he increased his 3pt and free throw percentage and substantially decreased his turnovers.
Can he make another leap? Don't know, but if he does, then he certainly can be in the mix for an NBA slot.
Career Stats
See All
STATS 2023-24 2022-23 2021-22 2020-21
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 35 31.6 45.1 36.9 79.2 6.1 2.7 1.1 1.5 2.6 1.6 12.1 33 32.5 44.1 28.0 61.4 6.3 3.0 1.2 1.1 1.8 2.5 9.9 33 19.0 44.2 29.2 65.0 4.3 1.5 0.5 0.8 1.9 1.4 5.9 25 6.3 34.5 23.1 68.4 0.8 0.4 0.4 0.1 0.6 0.2 1.4
I don't disagree with it being a bummer of a situation, BUT Werner's job is to report, not coddle players feelings. Obviously he has to have tact, but if he is hearing that Hawkins wasn't going to get drafted, that's an important piece to the story.If Werner is reporting it, he doesn't just make stuff up for clicks, he is reputable. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he did hear from credible sources that Hawkins wasn't going to get drafted.
I get what you're saying but I think there's more to it. He's getting NBA interest because he's a unique prospect. He's 6'10", can handle the ball, guard every position on the floor, great at pick & pop, very good 3 pt shooter when not having to create his own shot, good rebounder, good passer, can protect the rim, etc. Most of his shooting problems came from the fact that he was taking a lot of bad shots & his % went up last year b/c he took way better shots. Because of all of that, I still believe he's better suited for the pro game than college. This might cause a firestorm, but I actually think he would be a perfect fit on the Celtics in the role that Al Horford is playing. Not comparing him to Horford, who's had an amazing career...just saying he would be a way better defender, could guard multiple positions, and would shoot a similar percentage from 3.