Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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As a DC native and long suffering Caps fan it was one of the greatest feelings I have ever experienced. I believe that Illinois winning it all would be one of the few things that would top that and that we will get there one day.
Similar to how I felt when Pietrangelo lifted the cup in 2019, but I would trade so many things to see a national championship banner in Champaign
 
#130      
IN:
Kylan Boswell
Carey Booth
Tomislav Ivisic
Ben Humrichous
Tre White
Jake Davis

OUT:
Coleman Hawkins
Dain Dainja
Luke Goode
Jase Butler
Amani Hansberry
Sencire Harris
Nico Moretti
Not really to your point, however do we really count out Jase Butler who never made it here? yet not count in Morez/& Jakstys & I see the caveat of this transfer period - just think you need to have procession.
 
#131      
He is not a 1st rounder. Projected more like a late 2nd round. So pulling out makes sense. Even if he is guaranteed a 2nd round, a college can pay him more. I think it depends on whether he gets words from a NBA team he likes. Chances are large to come back to college.

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#132      
Honestly, if Brad had locked down Storr like he thought would happen, this wouldn’t be a close call, and most of us would be thrilled by how the roster looks. I also think we need to wait until the Fall to accurately evaluate. Remember how TSJ unexpectedly fell into our lap?
Watched both of last season’s games vs bucky over the weekend and I must say I am not disappointed we passed on Storr. Despite the transfer rankings and sudden hype, I just don’t see him as elite. Certainly not talented enough to warrant his price, especially if the rumored family drama that comes with his recruitment is true. Meanwhile, staff keeps shooting for high value targets that weren’t on anyone’s radar. There’s still going be plenty of portal movement/de-commits and draft shakeups between now and fall. I have no worries about BU & Co having another B1G/MM contending squad next season.
 
#133      
Another aspect of Coleman transferring that I haven't seen talked about: When he gets drafted in 2025, he won't be known as Hawkins from Illinois, but rather Hawkins from X school. Every website with a player profile and every in-game graphic will have the name of the school he last played with as his college. His 4 years at Illinois could be forgotten by those in the NBA world. This is what hurts the most imo.
Illinois: Hey Coleman, we can get you $X per year

Coleman: I'm going to X, as they can offer me more

Dumb Illinois Fans: Traitor!
Well there you have it. Consensus is Coleman to Xavier ;)
 
#135      
Well let's just do it in terms of next season eligible players gained and lost during this "transfer period", which seems logical and consistent enough

IN:
Kylan Boswell
Carey Booth
Tomislav Ivisic
Ben Humrichous
Tre White
Jake Davis

OUT:
Coleman Hawkins
Dain Dainja
Luke Goode
Jase Butler
Amani Hansberry
Sencire Harris
Nico Moretti

I wouldn't outright say the OUT group is better, I think it's a close call. I would note that Hawkins is the highest ranked of anyone on either list, the OUT group is older and more experienced, and their case gets stronger if you limit it to 2024-25 season value, which maybe you should given the likelihood of players entering the portal every year.

If Hawkins can be a star for UConn next year, then Carey Booth can be a star for Duke two years from now.
Morez Johnson!
 
#137      
Not really to your point, however do we really count out Jase Butler who never made it here? yet not count in Morez/& Jakstys & I see the caveat of this transfer period - just think you need to have procession.
Morez and Jakstys aren't changed from last season though, in terms of the projected roster for 2024-25. Butler was on that list, and in the portal chaos process that changed.

I felt like it would be dumb not to count Ivisic because he's not technically from the "transfer portal" but then it would only make methodological sense to count Butler too since he "left the team" during this period as well.

I'm trying to zero in on a different question than "are we better or worse than last year" where TSJ and Domask carry so much weight in the analysis.

It's more like "are we a net gainer or net loser in the transfer window?" The thought that we could be anywhere close to a net loser wasn't even a part of anyone's thought process 6 weeks ago, but here we are.

I hope and think we aren't done with additions yet. I also for the record think Coleman should and still may stay in the draft. But just laying down a marker for discussion.
 
#138      
This dog won't hunt fellas.

Leave aside how toxic for the sport it is to have prominent personalities swapping teams like this, Coleman Hawkins being on a different college team next year DRAMATICALLY changes the relationship between our portal gains versus our portal losses and raises some serious questions about how we're pursuing our team building strategy.

Trying to launder that frustration as some sort of "hating" of Coleman personally is pretty darned weak and lazy.
You lost me on the bold part. What part of our transfer class had you thinking Brad was building a roster and thinking Coleman was coming back? I thought it was obvious that Brad was planning for life after Hawkins when Humrichous was announced.

From the outside looking in, it sure feels like Brad was confident Coleman was going pro or showcasing his talents somewhere else next season.
 
#139      
Everyone has the right to deal with this new paradigm of the college hoops landscape any way they need. Calling our fans dumb for valuing a level of loyalty that no longer exists is really not the way to go. However, maybe changing the board name from Illinois Loyalty to Dumb Illinois Fans Board would be the way to go.
 
#140      
If fans think the NIL $ are going up at an astonishing rate then wait until next year...and the next...and the next.
Without bumpers at some point, it may get beyond anyone's imagination. The time to act is now, but who will be the first out of the trench to charge the machine guns? We all know something has to be done...by someone. But no one wants to be that someone. As long as greed is allowed to lead the way, no one will follow.
 
#141      
Would NE still love Brady and all his accomplishments if he left after 4 years or GB would they still revere Farve and his accomplishments?? The answer is NO most fans would not talk highly of either of them and what they did in their prospective uniform if they left for more money to a rival
 
#142      
Hawkins in a fringe prospect in weak NBA 2024 draft
Hawkins is less of a prospect in a stronger NBA 2025 draft

Least of my concerns.
 
#143      
Biggest question in my mind is where “academics” winds up in all of this. Who will be the college President to say “no more” for the first time since U. of Chicago did it in the 1930s?

Maybe a general studies program where all the player does is show up, maybe an online certification program of all credit/no credit courses, perhaps a degree becomes optional and the players takes internships during their time on campus.
 
#144      
Maybe but it’s not exactly that simple. I’m certain I am not alone on this board in passing up much higher comp to chose a position based on reasons beyond comp. This is especially the case when the figures are substantial either way.
 
#146      
Typically align closely with your thoughts. Not here

Why are you including Butler but not M.Johnson?

Outside of Hawkins the rest of the out group was extremely limited in what they can deliver.

Like the upside potential:
Boswell
White
Humrichous
Booth
Ivisic

And Davis but more as a junior & senior (if he is still wearing O&B
 
#147      
Exactly which makes the post above yours 💩 bc he is leaving bc of roster construction and NIL not bc he wants a “different” last season
 
#148      
Am I the only one who sees it both ways? I'm happy for Coleman. Great dude. Illini for life. Stayed when he didn't need to. Took us further (with help of course) than any team since '05. Nothing but respect for him trying to go showcase his skillset somewhere else/get the bag; HOWEVER, the old school college basketball fan in me is still going to puke watching him play for UCONN or UNC... I think the majority of people are more mad at the system than the individuals involved and that doesn't make them dumb.
 
#150      
The emotional gatekeeping in here is absolutely hilarious to watch sometimes.

Pretending that most of the fanbase won't totally reasonably look at Hawkins exactly the same way - namely, this illustriously loyal program legend - if he finishes his collegiate career elsewhere is laugh out loud funny. Telling people who pour their hard earned money and their personal time into this program how they need to feel about a grown man 22 years of age making the decision to play elsewhere - and to take it a step further - if they don't feel that exact way then they simply aren't *real* fans or they're woefully ignorant or some such nonsense. The feels police. Comedy.
 
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