Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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We don't know that he could not guard in scrimmages. That is just the narrative that has emerged since he has made such a miraculous recovery after leaving Illinois. There were so many moving parts at guard two years ago that he just got shuffled to the rear. His transfer turned out great for him and not so great for us. The talent evaluators on the team missed on Brandon. There is just no other way to put it. "Podz" is going to make a boatload of money whether he thrives or not. Being picked at 19 is a dream come true. Way to go, kid!
We do know he couldn't gaurd in games while he was here. We all witnessed it. He did shoot it pretty well and looked fairly athletic which makes you wander why he struggled on defense. Anyway the move worked out good for him, he flourished at Santa Clara and played his way to a first round pick. Congrats to him.
 
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It may just be that Podz improved drastically. Having made the jump from a small HS to B1G play was no doubt a big adjustment. Stepping down to Santa Clara probably allowed him to relax and play his game. Some guys are more comfortable being a big fish in a small pond. What I saw of him a year ago, he didn't look like he would ever be drafted, although I will say that he never looked like the moment was too big for him either (but neither did RJ or Luke). We will see how he fairs in the NBA. I don't expect a lot, but hope he proves me wrong. Seemed like a good kid.
 
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Not sure about his handles, but his passing is one of the things that has driven his draft position.
From The Ringer's draft guide on Podz:

Struggled creating advantages off the dribble against lengthier defenders due to his slow first step, limited burst, and lack of length. He also doesn’t have a ball-on-the-string handle, so he tends to get caught in tough spots rather than being able to keep his dribble alive.

What’s his position on defense? He’s a subpar on-ball defender who got roasted by quicker players even when facing lower level of competition. He’s not big or strong enough to defend slower-footed guys, either.
 
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From The Ringer's draft guide on Podz:

Struggled creating advantages off the dribble against lengthier defenders due to his slow first step, limited burst, and lack of length. He also doesn’t have a ball-on-the-string handle, so he tends to get caught in tough spots rather than being able to keep his dribble alive.

What’s his position on defense? He’s a subpar on-ball defender who got roasted by quicker players even when facing lower level of competition. He’s not big or strong enough to defend slower-footed guys, either.
I'm sure Golden State has a plan. The struggles off the dribble is about creating a shot for himself, not about his playmaking. Lots of draft evals saying he's a good playmaker.
 
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Anytime a kid moves on from Illinois and does well at other places "issues" is used a lot when referring to his time at Illinois.

When you have a kid with talent, who winds up being a 1st round pick, you find a way for him to play.

BU and his staff messed up.
Very simple

If you actually watched him on the court when he was here and came away saying "we need to find a way for him to play" then you are being disingenuous. Plenty of kids get picked in the first round that either have no business being first round picks or spend their careers in the G-league.
 
#840      
I call BS on this. We had an "insider" here state that, but I just don't buy it. Of course every player wants to be a starter. As a fan, I want all my recruits to want it.

But the idea that he came to BU and said that he'd transfer if he wasn't guaranteed a starting job is just BS. At the time, the chatter was about how he was told he'd never see the court, not that he couldn't start.
You can call BS all you want, doesn't make it BS. I'm not an insider by any means but I do hear things from time to time.
 
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I didn't make your point.

He was not a first round pick here. He averaged 1.4 points and less than 1 rebound here his freshman year. He left because he wanted to be a starter. He was not going to start with numbers like that. Besides, who was he going to start over?

TSJ? Nope
Mayer? Nope
Hawkins? Nope
RJ (without the benefit of hindsight)? Nope
Dain? Nope
He's not a point guard so whoever you want to put at PG - Nope

There were some off the court issues as well and he wasn't exactly endearing to his coaches and teammates. I'm not going to get into specifics. Underwood deserves plenty of blame for things, but this is not one of them.
Well I disagree. I love all of our Illini that you mentioned and I am glad TSJ, Hawk, and Dain are still on the team. I wouldn't assume who our starters are a year out. Things can change and players get better. Players like Podz or Bufkin at Scum are good examples. Podz had one of the most productive seasons in all of college hoops last season. He was absolutely good enough to start last seasonn and not only start but be the best player unless Santa Clara develops better players which i doubt.. He also excelled at the combine and was a first round pick because of it. I am a die hard illini but I won't throw shade at a kid by saying he wasn't good enough to play here when he clearly was and is currently viewed by NBA execs as such. I mean he is good enough to play for the Warriors now but 6 months ago he couldn't here? Can't we just say good luck to him and admit he got away?
 
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From The Ringer's draft guide on Podz:

Struggled creating advantages off the dribble against lengthier defenders due to his slow first step, limited burst, and lack of length. He also doesn’t have a ball-on-the-string handle, so he tends to get caught in tough spots rather than being able to keep his dribble alive.

What’s his position on defense? He’s a subpar on-ball defender who got roasted by quicker players even when facing lower level of competition. He’s not big or strong enough to defend slower-footed guys, either.
Let it be. He was drafted by the Warriors at #19. Good for him. Nice paycheck. Who on our team has been drafted that high recently?
 
#843      
He's not a point guard either... did you watch him play or are you just pissed off he's going to be drafted? Did you watch the NBA playoffs this year? Think Podz could guard anyone there?
Yes I watched him a few times. He had good vision, passing and a great shot. Podz would’ve been a better option at PG than anything we had last year. I am not upset at all that he got drafted. I’m happy for him. I just don’t know why some just can’t admit it was a bad evaluation by the staff.
 
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If you actually watched him on the court when he was here and came away saying "we need to find a way for him to play" then you are being disingenuous. Plenty of kids get picked in the first round that either have no business being first round picks or spend their careers in the G-league.
I'm not a talent evaluator nor do I get paid to be one. BU is ........and he messed this up.
 
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I didn't make your point.

He was not a first round pick here. He averaged 1.4 points and less than 1 rebound here his freshman year. He left because he wanted to be a starter. He was not going to start with numbers like that. Besides, who was he going to start over?

TSJ? Nope
Mayer? Nope
Hawkins? Nope
RJ (without the benefit of hindsight)? Nope
Dain? Nope
He's not a point guard so whoever you want to put at PG - Nope

There were some off the court issues as well and he wasn't exactly endearing to his coaches and teammates. I'm not going to get into specifics. Underwood deserves plenty of blame for things, but this is not one of them.
Frustrating part is I believe staff likely pointed to Sky and maybe Epps with higher chance of playing time...and certainly more NIL.

Overall I expect Podz had positive experience at UICU, where alot of his personal habits and hard work that led him to success at St Clara and on draft night were honed.

Regardless of our playing time offer, we contributed in some way to his rapid rise,...and I am quite sure there are Illini staff members that he would pick out that made a difference in his player development. Great for him....

All that said, quite sure some on our staff would look back and wish they had a push to "keep Podz" over push to "get Sky" scenario in spring 22.
 
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Well I disagree. I love all of our Illini that you mentioned and I am glad TSJ, Hawk, and Dain are still on the team. I wouldn't assume who our starters are a year out. Things can change and players get better. Players like Podz or Bufkin at Scum are good examples. Podz had one of the most productive seasons in all of college hoops last season. He was absolutely good enough to start last seasonn and not only start but be the best player unless Santa Clara develops better players which i doubt.. He also excelled at the combine and was a first round pick because of it. I am a die hard illini but I won't throw shade at a kid by saying he wasn't good enough to play here when he clearly was and is currently viewed by NBA execs as such. I mean he is good enough to play for the Warriors now but 6 months ago he couldn't here? Can't we just say good luck to him and admit he got away?
We have the benefit of hindsight and plenty are making assertions based on that hindsight.

I agree with you that things can change and players can get better, but even still (without the benefit of hindsight) he likely wasn't starting on last year's team. Could he have been a solid bench/rotation guy, sure, but he wouldn't nearly have been as effective against Big 10 opponents as he was the UC-Irvines that he faced at Santa Clara.

The situation a player goes into is arguably one of the most important factors that determines a player's success and is often overlooked. An example that I like using is that if Tom Brady was drafted by the Cleveland Browns then he is likely out of the league by the end of his rookie contract or he is a career backup. Going to NE was paramount to his success. The situation here, with the caliber of opponents the Illini face, and the overall talent level of teammates, I think it's unlikely Podz would have ever been drafted in the first round. I don't think he "got away" as he would likely not be the same player if he had stayed here. As I said before, Podz made a good decision for himself to go to Santa Clara.
 
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