Illinois 23, Kansas 17 Postgame

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Okay, I have had the full weekend to organize my thoughts! Some notes I feel like typing, lol...

1. Wow. The postgame jazz has worn off, and I still feel like this is just SUCH a huge win for the trajectory of this program. To beat a ranked team in front of our first full house in almost a decade, with that many recruits in attendance and an impressionable new generation of fans there due to all of the promotions ... wow. Huge.

2. Lol at Kansas. I still have nothing against KU (I actually toured it as a high schooler and loved the campus/Lawrence, and I have NEVER shared this Bill Self-related hatred for the Jayhawks ... they're easily my favorite of the Blue Bloods), but their fans' psychotic behavior online makes it too difficult not to enjoy those tears a bit, lol. As others have said, they acted like it was practically their birthright to waltz into our house and win by 2-3 TDs. They've been a significantly worse program than Illinois historically, and they've not even really been better at all during this flash-in-the-pan renaissance that has given birth to this crazy, unfounded arrogance! I hope they enjoyed their ride home!! šŸ–ļø

3. On that note, I cannot help but notice that Illinois seems to evoke a weird and seemingly out-of-nowhere contempt from fan bases with whom we don't have regular interaction. Think of how Iowa State fans were talking about us with such undeserved hatred and even more undeserved contempt ... as if it were desperately important for them to convince themselves that Illinois was just this "nothing" so that there would be more room for their team among the crowd of "somebodies." I got the same vibe from KU fans before this game. What is up with this? I can KIND OF understand it in basketball, but you would think we would be totally inoffensive in football ... certainly not offensive enough to start gunning for our very fan support, campus, stadium, etc. My pet theory is that it (subconsciously) bothers fans of other programs that we are the state flagship school for by far the biggest state in the Midwest and because we have not properly taken advantage of that footprint historically to become a powerhouse (ala Georgia or Texas or Florida with their built-in population advantages), they see this "window" where they have to frantically degrade the Illini so as to never let that dynamic change, lol. Go read a college football comment section on Reddit of basic-a$$ bros talking about Illinois if we ever come up. It is NOT some indifference like they might give toward Wake Forest or Cal ... it's actual contempt and what seems like desperation to convince others of how pathetic and irrelevant we are. Can anyone honestly say KU fans would have been so antagonistically arrogant and mocking the mere fact that we had a sellout crowd "for them" if they were preparing to go on the road to face Georgia Tech, Syracuse or NC State? I highly doubt it. Well, joke's on all of them. It's high time Illinois lives up to its high ceiling in EVERYTHING, and last night was a monumental win as far as changing the perception for the next generation of fans. Keep building!!

4. I still hate the ILLINOIS font and especially how it reminds me of the philosophy of the Ron Guenther Era, but I have to admit ... there was an aspect of seeing those again that made me like them a lot more. I still really don't like the font, but I think I am realizing that the Block I looks too tall on our helmets, and I actually really like the more horizontal proportions of spelling out Illinois. As I said, I don't love the font, so ... I am officially all aboard the bandwagon to at least TRY the Script font on our helmets. I honestly think it would look amazing. Teams like Florida, UCLA and Ole Miss do it very effectively and have iconic helmets. Give it a shot here and see just how great it looks.

5. As far as all orange uniforms go, I am feeling very conflicted. On one hand, I still think it would have looked better with our white pants, and that is what I would always favor going forward (caveating that statement with the assertion that we would ONLY ever wear white pants with an orange jersey ... put those things away for road games!!!!). However, my thoughts are clouded by the fact that these all orange uniforms look ten billion times better than any orange uniforms we have ever worn in the past; as others have said, this is due to the matching B/W/B stripes on the helmet, jerseys and pants. It looks cohesive and stylish. As others have also said, playing at night really helped them pop, too. I would be more than okay with busting these out once per year on an orange out or night game, I just hope we don't randomly wear a different uniform combo every week like the Beckman and Lovie Eras ... we need to continue to establish an identity and a "look." But again ... they actually looked pretty great, haha.

If you skip everything else, at least read this:

6A. PROPS TO OUR FANS!! Great job, guys. Having grown up much of my life in Iowa City and getting to experience what an awesome gameday experience was (and being bitterly jealous of it for decades now), I have been as hard on our fans as anyone over the years. However, Saturday we were just simply the real deal. It sounded as loud as any other stadium of a powerhouse team during the game, and not just in reacting to big plays; the fans were ACTIVE and helped to rattle KU on multiple occasions. The students especially were amazing. Doesn't it give you shivers thinking that this could be the EXPECTATION of away teams as they travel to Memorial Stadium - a hornet's nest that they better damn well be prepared for?? It has not sounded that loud since the 2007 Michigan game, and I don't even think any game since then has come marginally close. On that note...

6B. Can someone knowledgeable about this subject explain why Memorial Stadium seems to have the capability to get why louder than 60,670 fans have any right to be?? It's famous at this point how the Big House is notoriously quiet for having 111,000 engaged fans due to the gradual slope of the bowl design. Similarly, it's famous how Autzen Stadium is super loud despite a smaller capacity than Memorial Stadium due to the acoustics. Those make sense, but I don't understand how Memorial Stadium can get THAT loud! Our south end zone (the Horseshoe) is more or less completely open, and there are very significant open gaps on either side of the north end zone stands (the student section), as well. It doesn't seem intuitive that we could effectively trap noise so well. I have heard people say that Memorial Stadium was considered one of the loudest in the Big Ten during the 1980s according to opposing coaches, and it would have had the same sound dynamics then ... is it because most of our fans are between the end zones on the west/east sides, and the noise bounces off of each side?? Really treading into a subject of which I know nothing here, lol.
Regarding Autzen, Husky Stadium and almost every stadium along the rainy Pacific Northwest coast, the secret ingredient is rain shields. Similar to European soccer stadiums, the Pacific Northwest puts on the stadiums, large or small, a sloped metal roof covering just the stands. Along with keeping us (somewhat) dry, it reflects sound back down on the field.

Now you donā€™t have a rain shield at Memorial Stadium but you do have people willing to get loud and stay loud. Thatā€™s all you really need. It was loud in the 1980s and it could be again. Believe.
 
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I know there have been disappointing losses over the last three years (just think about the fact that there is a "lucky" universe" where we have gone 8-4, 10-2 and 8-4 the past three years and been in the Big Ten Championship Game possibly all three years, lol...), but just consider Bret's record vs. top 25 teams:

*** Takes over an Illini team that won 2 games ***
2021
W 20-18 at #7 Penn State (9 OT)
W 14-6 at #20 Minnesota

L 23-33 at #17 Iowa (Bielema not on sidelines due to COVID)

2022
L 19-17 at #3 Michigan (we all know the complete BS at the end...)
L 19-10 vs. #22 Mississippi State in the ReliaQuest Bowl (multiple stars sitting out)

2023
L 30-13 vs. #7 Penn State
L 15-13 at #16 Iowa
(HAD this one until the end...)

2024
W 23-17 vs. #19 Kansas

Bielema took over a 2-win program that hadn't sniffed the top 25 in a decade, and he is 3-5 vs. ranked teams. Of the 5 losses, two of them were by less than a field goal, and another (Iowa 2021) was only extended to two possessions at the last minute. The drastic turnaround in how BASICALLY competitive and competent we are as a program is just astounding.
 
#379      
Okay, I have had the full weekend to organize my thoughts! Some notes I feel like typing, lol...

1. Wow. The postgame jazz has worn off, and I still feel like this is just SUCH a huge win for the trajectory of this program. To beat a ranked team in front of our first full house in almost a decade, with that many recruits in attendance and an impressionable new generation of fans there due to all of the promotions ... wow. Huge.

2. Lol at Kansas. I still have nothing against KU (I actually toured it as a high schooler and loved the campus/Lawrence, and I have NEVER shared this Bill Self-related hatred for the Jayhawks ... they're easily my favorite of the Blue Bloods), but their fans' psychotic behavior online makes it too difficult not to enjoy those tears a bit, lol. As others have said, they acted like it was practically their birthright to waltz into our house and win by 2-3 TDs. They've been a significantly worse program than Illinois historically, and they've not even really been better at all during this flash-in-the-pan renaissance that has given birth to this crazy, unfounded arrogance! I hope they enjoyed their ride home!! šŸ–ļø

3. On that note, I cannot help but notice that Illinois seems to evoke a weird and seemingly out-of-nowhere contempt from fan bases with whom we don't have regular interaction. Think of how Iowa State fans were talking about us with such undeserved hatred and even more undeserved contempt ... as if it were desperately important for them to convince themselves that Illinois was just this "nothing" so that there would be more room for their team among the crowd of "somebodies." I got the same vibe from KU fans before this game. What is up with this? I can KIND OF understand it in basketball, but you would think we would be totally inoffensive in football ... certainly not offensive enough to start gunning for our very fan support, campus, stadium, etc. My pet theory is that it (subconsciously) bothers fans of other programs that we are the state flagship school for by far the biggest state in the Midwest and because we have not properly taken advantage of that footprint historically to become a powerhouse (ala Georgia or Texas or Florida with their built-in population advantages), they see this "window" where they have to frantically degrade the Illini so as to never let that dynamic change, lol. Go read a college football comment section on Reddit of basic-a$$ bros talking about Illinois if we ever come up. It is NOT some indifference like they might give toward Wake Forest or Cal ... it's actual contempt and what seems like desperation to convince others of how pathetic and irrelevant we are. Can anyone honestly say KU fans would have been so antagonistically arrogant and mocking the mere fact that we had a sellout crowd "for them" if they were preparing to go on the road to face Georgia Tech, Syracuse or NC State? I highly doubt it. Well, joke's on all of them. It's high time Illinois lives up to its high ceiling in EVERYTHING, and last night was a monumental win as far as changing the perception for the next generation of fans. Keep building!!

4. I still hate the ILLINOIS font and especially how it reminds me of the philosophy of the Ron Guenther Era, but I have to admit ... there was an aspect of seeing those again that made me like them a lot more. I still really don't like the font, but I think I am realizing that the Block I looks too tall on our helmets, and I actually really like the more horizontal proportions of spelling out Illinois. As I said, I don't love the font, so ... I am officially all aboard the bandwagon to at least TRY the Script font on our helmets. I honestly think it would look amazing. Teams like Florida, UCLA and Ole Miss do it very effectively and have iconic helmets. Give it a shot here and see just how great it looks.

5. As far as all orange uniforms go, I am feeling very conflicted. On one hand, I still think it would have looked better with our white pants, and that is what I would always favor going forward (caveating that statement with the assertion that we would ONLY ever wear white pants with an orange jersey ... put those things away for road games!!!!). However, my thoughts are clouded by the fact that these all orange uniforms look ten billion times better than any orange uniforms we have ever worn in the past; as others have said, this is due to the matching B/W/B stripes on the helmet, jerseys and pants. It looks cohesive and stylish. As others have also said, playing at night really helped them pop, too. I would be more than okay with busting these out once per year on an orange out or night game, I just hope we don't randomly wear a different uniform combo every week like the Beckman and Lovie Eras ... we need to continue to establish an identity and a "look." But again ... they actually looked pretty great, haha.

If you skip everything else, at least read this:

6A. PROPS TO OUR FANS!! Great job, guys. Having grown up much of my life in Iowa City and getting to experience what an awesome gameday experience was (and being bitterly jealous of it for decades now), I have been as hard on our fans as anyone over the years. However, Saturday we were just simply the real deal. It sounded as loud as any other stadium of a powerhouse team during the game, and not just in reacting to big plays; the fans were ACTIVE and helped to rattle KU on multiple occasions. The students especially were amazing. Doesn't it give you shivers thinking that this could be the EXPECTATION of away teams as they travel to Memorial Stadium - a hornet's nest that they better damn well be prepared for?? It has not sounded that loud since the 2007 Michigan game, and I don't even think any game since then has come marginally close. On that note...

6B. Can someone knowledgeable about this subject explain why Memorial Stadium seems to have the capability to get why louder than 60,670 fans have any right to be?? It's famous at this point how the Big House is notoriously quiet for having 111,000 engaged fans due to the gradual slope of the bowl design. Similarly, it's famous how Autzen Stadium is super loud despite a smaller capacity than Memorial Stadium due to the acoustics. Those make sense, but I don't understand how Memorial Stadium can get THAT loud! Our south end zone (the Horseshoe) is more or less completely open, and there are very significant open gaps on either side of the north end zone stands (the student section), as well. It doesn't seem intuitive that we could effectively trap noise so well. I have heard people say that Memorial Stadium was considered one of the loudest in the Big Ten during the 1980s according to opposing coaches, and it would have had the same sound dynamics then ... is it because most of our fans are between the end zones on the west/east sides, and the noise bounces off of each side?? Really treading into a subject of which I know nothing here, lol.
To have students at school today (I teach at an Illinois high school) actually talking about the game or mentioning how much fun they had at it is awesome but unfortunately rare. Here's hoping that continues.
 
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To have students at school today (I teach at an Illinois high school) actually talking about the game or mentioning how much fun they had at it is awesome but unfortunately rare. Here's hoping that continues.
It has to start somewhere! Iowa and Wisconsin fans did not get that way after one game, their states' residents raised multiple generations that were taught to love their state school. While the nature of the Land of Lincoln might prohibit Nebraska-levels of instate loyalty, there is still incredible room for improvement. We should expect Iowa-level loyalty from Central Illinois and maybe Arizona/ASU-level loyalty from the rest of the state. Get that, and we have one of the bigger fan bases in the country, we are selling out most games and we are getting the kind of TV ratings that keep us at the big boys' table.

It's not hyperbole to say last night was a H-U-G-E step in that direction, because we are already starting at a pretty high floor! Amazing to hear that, thanks for sharing.
 
#381      
Okay, I have had the full weekend to organize my thoughts! Some notes I feel like typing, lol...

1. Wow. The postgame jazz has worn off, and I still feel like this is just SUCH a huge win for the trajectory of this program. To beat a ranked team in front of our first full house in almost a decade, with that many recruits in attendance and an impressionable new generation of fans there due to all of the promotions ... wow. Huge.

2. Lol at Kansas. I still have nothing against KU (I actually toured it as a high schooler and loved the campus/Lawrence, and I have NEVER shared this Bill Self-related hatred for the Jayhawks ... they're easily my favorite of the Blue Bloods), but their fans' psychotic behavior online makes it too difficult not to enjoy those tears a bit, lol. As others have said, they acted like it was practically their birthright to waltz into our house and win by 2-3 TDs. They've been a significantly worse program than Illinois historically, and they've not even really been better at all during this flash-in-the-pan renaissance that has given birth to this crazy, unfounded arrogance! I hope they enjoyed their ride home!! šŸ–ļø

3. On that note, I cannot help but notice that Illinois seems to evoke a weird and seemingly out-of-nowhere contempt from fan bases with whom we don't have regular interaction. Think of how Iowa State fans were talking about us with such undeserved hatred and even more undeserved contempt ... as if it were desperately important for them to convince themselves that Illinois was just this "nothing" so that there would be more room for their team among the crowd of "somebodies." I got the same vibe from KU fans before this game. What is up with this? I can KIND OF understand it in basketball, but you would think we would be totally inoffensive in football ... certainly not offensive enough to start gunning for our very fan support, campus, stadium, etc. My pet theory is that it (subconsciously) bothers fans of other programs that we are the state flagship school for by far the biggest state in the Midwest and because we have not properly taken advantage of that footprint historically to become a powerhouse (ala Georgia or Texas or Florida with their built-in population advantages), they see this "window" where they have to frantically degrade the Illini so as to never let that dynamic change, lol. Go read a college football comment section on Reddit of basic-a$$ bros talking about Illinois if we ever come up. It is NOT some indifference like they might give toward Wake Forest or Cal ... it's actual contempt and what seems like desperation to convince others of how pathetic and irrelevant we are. Can anyone honestly say KU fans would have been so antagonistically arrogant and mocking the mere fact that we had a sellout crowd "for them" if they were preparing to go on the road to face Georgia Tech, Syracuse or NC State? I highly doubt it. Well, joke's on all of them. It's high time Illinois lives up to its high ceiling in EVERYTHING, and last night was a monumental win as far as changing the perception for the next generation of fans. Keep building!!

4. I still hate the ILLINOIS font and especially how it reminds me of the philosophy of the Ron Guenther Era, but I have to admit ... there was an aspect of seeing those again that made me like them a lot more. I still really don't like the font, but I think I am realizing that the Block I looks too tall on our helmets, and I actually really like the more horizontal proportions of spelling out Illinois. As I said, I don't love the font, so ... I am officially all aboard the bandwagon to at least TRY the Script font on our helmets. I honestly think it would look amazing. Teams like Florida, UCLA and Ole Miss do it very effectively and have iconic helmets. Give it a shot here and see just how great it looks.

5. As far as all orange uniforms go, I am feeling very conflicted. On one hand, I still think it would have looked better with our white pants, and that is what I would always favor going forward (caveating that statement with the assertion that we would ONLY ever wear white pants with an orange jersey ... put those things away for road games!!!!). However, my thoughts are clouded by the fact that these all orange uniforms look ten billion times better than any orange uniforms we have ever worn in the past; as others have said, this is due to the matching B/W/B stripes on the helmet, jerseys and pants. It looks cohesive and stylish. As others have also said, playing at night really helped them pop, too. I would be more than okay with busting these out once per year on an orange out or night game, I just hope we don't randomly wear a different uniform combo every week like the Beckman and Lovie Eras ... we need to continue to establish an identity and a "look." But again ... they actually looked pretty great, haha.

If you skip everything else, at least read this:

6A. PROPS TO OUR FANS!! Great job, guys. Having grown up much of my life in Iowa City and getting to experience what an awesome gameday experience was (and being bitterly jealous of it for decades now), I have been as hard on our fans as anyone over the years. However, Saturday we were just simply the real deal. It sounded as loud as any other stadium of a powerhouse team during the game, and not just in reacting to big plays; the fans were ACTIVE and helped to rattle KU on multiple occasions. The students especially were amazing. Doesn't it give you shivers thinking that this could be the EXPECTATION of away teams as they travel to Memorial Stadium - a hornet's nest that they better damn well be prepared for?? It has not sounded that loud since the 2007 Michigan game, and I don't even think any game since then has come marginally close. On that note...

6B. Can someone knowledgeable about this subject explain why Memorial Stadium seems to have the capability to get why louder than 60,670 fans have any right to be?? It's famous at this point how the Big House is notoriously quiet for having 111,000 engaged fans due to the gradual slope of the bowl design. Similarly, it's famous how Autzen Stadium is super loud despite a smaller capacity than Memorial Stadium due to the acoustics. Those make sense, but I don't understand how Memorial Stadium can get THAT loud! Our south end zone (the Horseshoe) is more or less completely open, and there are very significant open gaps on either side of the north end zone stands (the student section), as well. It doesn't seem intuitive that we could effectively trap noise so well. I have heard people say that Memorial Stadium was considered one of the loudest in the Big Ten during the 1980s according to opposing coaches, and it would have had the same sound dynamics then ... is it because most of our fans are between the end zones on the west/east sides, and the noise bounces off of each side?? Really treading into a subject of which I know nothing here, lol.

Only addressing the last point but I seem to remeber reading somewhere that Memorial Stadium has one the largest capacities if you only look at seats on the sidelines. Combine that with how vertical those sections are and you get the sound bouncing back and forth sideline to sideline. As great as the student section has been the last couple games they make almost no impact on the volume in the stadium.
 
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Oh I also forgot one that had me banging my head against my RH cloud couch - Altmyer snapping the ball with 22 seconds left on the play-clock (with a running game clock), when the focus was on leaving KU with as little time possible on offense...:rolleyes: That kind of stuff just cannot happen. As my coach used to say, mental errors are unacceptable, as they are completely preventable.
 
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Only addressing the last point but I seem to remeber reading somewhere that Memorial Stadium has one the largest capacities if you only look at seats on the sidelines. Combine that with how vertical those sections are and you get the sound bouncing back and forth sideline to sideline. As great as the student section has been the last couple games they make almost no impact on the volume in the stadium.
Yeah, just imagine what that environment would have been like with the students in their old East Main location. What I just truly do NOT understand is why nobody had an issue with them being there pre-2006, and now that we have (A) way more luxury suites and (B) a relatively new/nice elevated seating section in the North End Zone, it is somehow more problematic for them to take up room in their old spot???? If I am a dad bringing my family to the game, I would sit up in the NEZ with that elevated view or in the East Balcony any day with my kids ... those aren't like awful seats compared to where we'd want to "displace" fans to put the students back to where they had ALWAYS been.

If we ever fill in the Horseshoe and bring those seats down to field level, that would be a fine place to put the students, too. It's not that the students can't be behind the end zone (a lot of programs do this, and it works!), it's that they need to be as close to the field as possible. Right now, it's like they're purposely put in the location where they will have the least effect on the game, haha.
 
#384      
This was a great game and exactly what the Dr. ordered! I hope this gets the casual fans engaged and makes them realize that we can win, we will win, and we did win! Have the crowd show up like they did was huge, especially with all the recruits and visits that were taking place.

A couple of notes to improve on:
1: No one should be sitting on defensive 3rd downs. Everyone should be up cheering, yelling, making noise to distract the other team and make it difficult on them. I have been to stadiums all over the B1G, ACC and SEC and our fans are amongst the worst about this. I don't know if its because we've been burned so many times or what, what that has to change.
2. Learn to quiet down on offensive 3rd downs. Still baffles me that Illinois fans doesn't understand this. Especially since many are probably Bears fans and several years ago the players and coaching staffs were being vocal about this on TV/Radio. Its translates the same to college.
3. Bring back the LOUD BOOM from week 1's cannon! The one the week was a dud. I hope that people didn't complain of it being to loud, if so that's a them problem. Its important to indicate we did something good and get the crowd engaged, I believe the cannon did that.
4. We need a choreographed/dedicated point for the ILL - INI chant. I feel like we always had this growing up, but lately it just seems to happen at random or not at all. Can we make it happen at a specific point in the game some the entire stadium is behind it?
 
#385      
This was a great game and exactly what the Dr. ordered! I hope this gets the casual fans engaged and makes them realize that we can win, we will win, and we did win! Have the crowd show up like they did was huge, especially with all the recruits and visits that were taking place.

A couple of notes to improve on:
1: No one should be sitting on defensive 3rd downs. Everyone should be up cheering, yelling, making noise to distract the other team and make it difficult on them. I have been to stadiums all over the B1G, ACC and SEC and our fans are amongst the worst about this. I don't know if its because we've been burned so many times or what, what that has to change.
2. Learn to quiet down on offensive 3rd downs. Still baffles me that Illinois fans doesn't understand this. Especially since many are probably Bears fans and several years ago the players and coaching staffs were being vocal about this on TV/Radio. Its translates the same to college.
3. Bring back the LOUD BOOM from week 1's cannon! The one the week was a dud. I hope that people didn't complain of it being to loud, if so that's a them problem. Its important to indicate we did something good and get the crowd engaged, I believe the cannon did that.
4. We need a choreographed/dedicated point for the ILL - INI chant. I feel like we always had this growing up, but lately it just seems to happen at random or not at all. Can we make it happen at a specific point in the game some the entire stadium is behind it?
The problem I've noticed with Illini fans onsite (basketball and football), is that there are a LOT of old people that show up to the games (basketball more than football), but even when the camera's panned the stadium on Saturday night, I couldnt believe how many 50+ yr olds were at the game and just sitting there. The younger crowd definitely was trying to make noise and "in the game" for most of the evening.
 
#386      
Only addressing the last point but I seem to remeber reading somewhere that Memorial Stadium has one the largest capacities if you only look at seats on the sidelines. Combine that with how vertical those sections are and you get the sound bouncing back and forth sideline to sideline. As great as the student section has been the last couple games they make almost no impact on the volume in the stadium.
yea , itā€™s the height of MS including stands & four corners that captures the sound
 
#387      
Okay, this might be first, a basketball question in an Illinois Football thread but I donā€™t know how to transport this to the basketball forum. In this article, the author writes, "Notre Dame pays Northern Illinois $1.4 million to lose at home. Indiana basketball fans are not happy.ā€
So what is the story behind the ā€œIndiana basketball fans are not happyā€? I did do a search but the results were generally about 2023-24 individual games.
 
#388      
yea , itā€™s the height of MS including stands & four corners that captures the sound
Yes. We have a tall stadium and the balconies help keep more of the fans closer to the field of play. It's definitely one of the coolest and most unique design features of Memorial Stadium (along with the columns, of course).
 
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This was a great game and exactly what the Dr. ordered! I hope this gets the casual fans engaged and makes them realize that we can win, we will win, and we did win! Have the crowd show up like they did was huge, especially with all the recruits and visits that were taking place.

A couple of notes to improve on:
1: No one should be sitting on defensive 3rd downs. Everyone should be up cheering, yelling, making noise to distract the other team and make it difficult on them. I have been to stadiums all over the B1G, ACC and SEC and our fans are amongst the worst about this. I don't know if its because we've been burned so many times or what, what that has to change.
2. Learn to quiet down on offensive 3rd downs. Still baffles me that Illinois fans doesn't understand this. Especially since many are probably Bears fans and several years ago the players and coaching staffs were being vocal about this on TV/Radio. Its translates the same to college.
3. Bring back the LOUD BOOM from week 1's cannon! The one the week was a dud. I hope that people didn't complain of it being to loud, if so that's a them problem. Its important to indicate we did something good and get the crowd engaged, I believe the cannon did that.
4. We need a choreographed/dedicated point for the ILL - INI chant. I feel like we always had this growing up, but lately it just seems to happen at random or not at all. Can we make it happen at a specific point in the game some the entire stadium is behind it?

There were a couple times I was really hoping the students would start and Ill-INI but they started changing F KU instead...also even when they do start one it's starting from the endzone so gets disjointed quickly based on how far the sound had to travel down the field. There's no good way to start the old school back and forth across the stadium without someone prompting it.

I just inspired myself to try and reach out to DIA to give them the idea to come up with some way to initiate the back and forth ILL. Make it a tradition again!
 
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There were a couple times I was really hoping the students would start and Ill-INI but they started changing F KU instead...also even when they do start one it's starting from the endzone so gets disjointed quickly based on how far the sound had to travel down the field. There's no good way to start the old school back and forth across the stadium without someone prompting it
Yes, those were the cheerleaders with their signs. I agree, they need to start to do this again, if they've stopped.
 
#391      
Okay, I have had the full weekend to organize my thoughts! Some notes I feel like typing, lol...

1. Wow. The postgame jazz has worn off, and I still feel like this is just SUCH a huge win for the trajectory of this program. To beat a ranked team in front of our first full house in almost a decade, with that many recruits in attendance and an impressionable new generation of fans there due to all of the promotions ... wow. Huge.

2. Lol at Kansas. I still have nothing against KU (I actually toured it as a high schooler and loved the campus/Lawrence, and I have NEVER shared this Bill Self-related hatred for the Jayhawks ... they're easily my favorite of the Blue Bloods), but their fans' psychotic behavior online makes it too difficult not to enjoy those tears a bit, lol. As others have said, they acted like it was practically their birthright to waltz into our house and win by 2-3 TDs. They've been a significantly worse program than Illinois historically, and they've not even really been better at all during this flash-in-the-pan renaissance that has given birth to this crazy, unfounded arrogance! I hope they enjoyed their ride home!! šŸ–ļø

3. On that note, I cannot help but notice that Illinois seems to evoke a weird and seemingly out-of-nowhere contempt from fan bases with whom we don't have regular interaction. Think of how Iowa State fans were talking about us with such undeserved hatred and even more undeserved contempt ... as if it were desperately important for them to convince themselves that Illinois was just this "nothing" so that there would be more room for their team among the crowd of "somebodies." I got the same vibe from KU fans before this game. What is up with this? I can KIND OF understand it in basketball, but you would think we would be totally inoffensive in football ... certainly not offensive enough to start gunning for our very fan support, campus, stadium, etc. My pet theory is that it (subconsciously) bothers fans of other programs that we are the state flagship school for by far the biggest state in the Midwest and because we have not properly taken advantage of that footprint historically to become a powerhouse (ala Georgia or Texas or Florida with their built-in population advantages), they see this "window" where they have to frantically degrade the Illini so as to never let that dynamic change, lol. Go read a college football comment section on Reddit of basic-a$$ bros talking about Illinois if we ever come up. It is NOT some indifference like they might give toward Wake Forest or Cal ... it's actual contempt and what seems like desperation to convince others of how pathetic and irrelevant we are. Can anyone honestly say KU fans would have been so antagonistically arrogant and mocking the mere fact that we had a sellout crowd "for them" if they were preparing to go on the road to face Georgia Tech, Syracuse or NC State? I highly doubt it. Well, joke's on all of them. It's high time Illinois lives up to its high ceiling in EVERYTHING, and last night was a monumental win as far as changing the perception for the next generation of fans. Keep building!!

4. I still hate the ILLINOIS font and especially how it reminds me of the philosophy of the Ron Guenther Era, but I have to admit ... there was an aspect of seeing those again that made me like them a lot more. I still really don't like the font, but I think I am realizing that the Block I looks too tall on our helmets, and I actually really like the more horizontal proportions of spelling out Illinois. As I said, I don't love the font, so ... I am officially all aboard the bandwagon to at least TRY the Script font on our helmets. I honestly think it would look amazing. Teams like Florida, UCLA and Ole Miss do it very effectively and have iconic helmets. Give it a shot here and see just how great it looks.

5. As far as all orange uniforms go, I am feeling very conflicted. On one hand, I still think it would have looked better with our white pants, and that is what I would always favor going forward (caveating that statement with the assertion that we would ONLY ever wear white pants with an orange jersey ... put those things away for road games!!!!). However, my thoughts are clouded by the fact that these all orange uniforms look ten billion times better than any orange uniforms we have ever worn in the past; as others have said, this is due to the matching B/W/B stripes on the helmet, jerseys and pants. It looks cohesive and stylish. As others have also said, playing at night really helped them pop, too. I would be more than okay with busting these out once per year on an orange out or night game, I just hope we don't randomly wear a different uniform combo every week like the Beckman and Lovie Eras ... we need to continue to establish an identity and a "look." But again ... they actually looked pretty great, haha.

If you skip everything else, at least read this:

6A. PROPS TO OUR FANS!! Great job, guys. Having grown up much of my life in Iowa City and getting to experience what an awesome gameday experience was (and being bitterly jealous of it for decades now), I have been as hard on our fans as anyone over the years. However, Saturday we were just simply the real deal. It sounded as loud as any other stadium of a powerhouse team during the game, and not just in reacting to big plays; the fans were ACTIVE and helped to rattle KU on multiple occasions. The students especially were amazing. Doesn't it give you shivers thinking that this could be the EXPECTATION of away teams as they travel to Memorial Stadium - a hornet's nest that they better damn well be prepared for?? It has not sounded that loud since the 2007 Michigan game, and I don't even think any game since then has come marginally close. On that note...

6B. Can someone knowledgeable about this subject explain why Memorial Stadium seems to have the capability to get why louder than 60,670 fans have any right to be?? It's famous at this point how the Big House is notoriously quiet for having 111,000 engaged fans due to the gradual slope of the bowl design. Similarly, it's famous how Autzen Stadium is super loud despite a smaller capacity than Memorial Stadium due to the acoustics. Those make sense, but I don't understand how Memorial Stadium can get THAT loud! Our south end zone (the Horseshoe) is more or less completely open, and there are very significant open gaps on either side of the north end zone stands (the student section), as well. It doesn't seem intuitive that we could effectively trap noise so well. I have heard people say that Memorial Stadium was considered one of the loudest in the Big Ten during the 1980s according to opposing coaches, and it would have had the same sound dynamics then ... is it because most of our fans are between the end zones on the west/east sides, and the noise bounces off of each side?? Really treading into a subject of which I know nothing here, lol.
You would have loved attending games in the 80's when the capacity was closer to 75k and MS was consistently filled. It would get insanely loud at times
 
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Okay, this might be first, a basketball question in an Illinois Football thread but I donā€™t know how to transport this to the basketball forum. In this article, the author writes, "Notre Dame pays Northern Illinois $1.4 million to lose at home. Indiana basketball fans are not happy.ā€
So what is the story behind the ā€œIndiana basketball fans are not happyā€? I did do a search but the results were generally about 2023-24 individual games.
My guess is that they are not happy because their basketball team can't score as much as their football team did?
 
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Oh I also forgot one that had me banging my head against my RH cloud couch - Altmyer snapping the ball with 22 seconds left on the play-clock (with a running game clock), when the focus was on leaving KU with as little time possible on offense...:rolleyes: That kind of stuff just cannot happen. As my coach used to say, mental errors are unacceptable, as they are completely preventable.
and, if i remember correctly it was literally after the commentators just stated we were milking the clock intentionally....
 
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You would have loved attending games in the 80's when the capacity was closer to 75k and MS was consistently filled. It would get insanely loud at times
Crowd was so loud and rowdy that the concrete started falling from 2nd deck. They had to rebuild the 2nd deck :cool:
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Best coach we have had since Ray Eliot! Never should have fired him - he had Jeff George coming in next year.
 
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There were a couple times I was really hoping the students would start and Ill-INI but they started changing F KU instead...also even when they do start one it's starting from the endzone so gets disjointed quickly based on how far the sound had to travel down the field. There's no good way to start the old school back and forth across the stadium without someone prompting it.

I just inspired myself to try and reach out to DIA to give them the idea to come up with some way to initiate the back and forth ILL. Make it a tradition again!
Couldn't they use the jumbo screen flashing a giant 'I-L-L' coordinated with the cheerleaders?
 
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There were a couple times I was really hoping the students would start and Ill-INI but they started changing F KU instead...also even when they do start one it's starting from the endzone so gets disjointed quickly based on how far the sound had to travel down the field. There's no good way to start the old school back and forth across the stadium without someone prompting it.

I just inspired myself to try and reach out to DIA to give them the idea to come up with some way to initiate the back and forth ILL. Make it a tradition again!
Stunts are nice to watch, but THIS is what cheerleaders really are for.

Back in the day, a few on the west side would hold up "I-L-L" signs, then a few on the east side would hold up "I-N-I" signs, and away the stadium would go.
 
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6B. Can someone knowledgeable about this subject explain why Memorial Stadium seems to have the capability to get why louder than 60,670 fans have any right to be?? It's famous at this point how the Big House is notoriously quiet for having 111,000 engaged fans due to the gradual slope of the bowl design. Similarly, it's famous how Autzen Stadium is super loud despite a smaller capacity than Memorial Stadium due to the acoustics. Those make sense, but I don't understand how Memorial Stadium can get THAT loud! Our south end zone (the Horseshoe) is more or less completely open, and there are very significant open gaps on either side of the north end zone stands (the student section), as well. It doesn't seem intuitive that we could effectively trap noise so well. I have heard people say that Memorial Stadium was considered one of the loudest in the Big Ten during the 1980s according to opposing coaches, and it would have had the same sound dynamics then ... is it because most of our fans are between the end zones on the west/east sides, and the noise bounces off of each side?? Really treading into a subject of which I know nothing here, lol.
I agree with everything else but will just focus on your last part about the acoustics. The east and the west stands do a lot of the heavy lifting like they did in the 80s (I think your guess is right about most of the fans being on the sidelines then). The same structural characteristics that make Memorial a wind tunnel on a windy day also allow it to trap the sound incredibly well. The horseshoe is the horseshoe and is without a doubt the weakest part not only due to its low height but also its gradual climb to that height as well as the distance from the field. To have a truly enclosed stadium as far as acoustics, we need to do something different with it like you've gone into detail about many times.

The NEZ structure itself is far better acoustically than people give it credit for. The sheer verticality between the Zuppke wall and the first row of Block I allows it to trap the sound more than pretty well, and then it keeps going up allowing it to trap more sound. As for the gaps in the corners, I think we play a game of net gain/loss as far as the sound with the students and band. When the students show up like they did Saturday and generally how they have under Bielema, I think they produce enough sound with the band that we're producing more than we're losing through the corner gaps. On the other hand, when the students don't show up, I think we probably start losing more sound to those corners than the tiny student section and band can produce on their own. Another factor is the direction of sound. The way you direct the sound has a lot to do with where it goes (obviously lol). That's why the band uses sousaphones, mellophones, and marching baritones to their concert band counterparts (all of which don't point straight ahead). When you're loud at the game, you're yelling toward the field so the direction of the sound is down and to a rather sound-absorbing surface (both the turf itself and the players themselves). The human voice obviously isn't engineered to be as directional as a sousaphone so we only have so much control and some sound will still probably escape thru the coners. But between that and the sound production we want to have every Saturday from the NEZ, the corners should be mostly a non-factor. It could be a little louder if they were filled in, but idk how big of a difference it would make as opposed to how big a difference a horseshoe renovation would make.
 
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The problem I've noticed with Illini fans onsite (basketball and football), is that there are a LOT of old people that show up to the games (basketball more than football), but even when the camera's panned the stadium on Saturday night, I couldnt believe how many 50+ yr olds were at the game and just sitting there. The younger crowd definitely was trying to make noise and "in the game" for most of the evening.
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