Conference Realignment

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GilThorpe
I don’t believe that info about KU for a second

just more fake news being pushed by people with an agenda . The B1G should be in no hurry to add the school with worst FBS football program in the land
 
#628      
ateske2
GilThorpe said:
I don’t believe that info about KU for a second

just more fake news being pushed by people with an agenda . The B1G should be in no hurry to add the school with worst FBS football program in the land
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If you add KU along with 5 pac schools it makes a lot more sense. Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and USC.
You get the best of the PAC and one strong bball school in KU which academically is also a strong fit for the B1G
 
#629      
GilThorpe
ateske2 said:
If you add KU along with 5 pac schools it makes a lot more sense. Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and USC.
You get the best of the PAC and one strong bball school in KU which academically is also a strong fit for the B1G
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I simply won’t believe it until I hear it coming from kevin warren’s lips

I really think it’s “possible” , I just don’t think it’s anytime soon and certainly not imminent .

could they be the 20th member or 24th member ? sure . the 15th member ? no way
 
#630      
Pikeillinifan
ateske2 said:
If you add KU along with 5 pac schools it makes a lot more sense. Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and USC.
You get the best of the PAC and one strong bball school in KU which academically is also a strong fit for the B1G
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That scenario would make a lot more sense. Would be bummed to miss out on UCLA though.

But at that point may as well add Arizona and UCLA, unless it killed revenue payouts.
 
#631      
Joel Goodson
mattcoldagelli said:
Well, stopping at 15 seems weird. Not that we haven’t stood pat on an odd number before.
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Stopping at 15 (for now), is far better than taking a reach, just to make 16. That said, this seems like a KU fever dream, a lot more than reality.
 
#633      
ateske2
The reason you take Colorado over UCLA and Cal is two fold. 1) avoid CA public schools and 2) you are already hitting the LA and San Fran media market. Colorado adds the Denver market
 
#634      
TheChief4Life
Can we drop the “worst FBS school” narrative… or really any mention of a school’s football program? The B1G will not add a school or not add a school based on their football team. Period. End of story.

Some of us in this forum care about that. The people responsible for making the decisions do not.
 
#635      
spotter
So, has TAMU taken their waterboarding and is now "fine" with Texas in the $EC, or is there still a chance they might break free to the B1G or the PAC?
 
#636      
GilThorpe
spotter said:
So, has TAMU taken their waterboarding and is now "fine" with Texas in the $EC, or is there still a chance they might break free to the B1G or the PAC?
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nothing is ever final these days

there is nothing really stopping them from talking to any league they want .

making the vote to accept UT unanimous has nothing to do with how they might really feel about it when the boardroom doors are closed
 
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dcphx
If I were realignment czar for a day, I would make 2 conferences out of the B1G, P12 , B12 and some independents like this:

B1G: 20 team merger of B1G and P12
Existing: PSU, OSU, MI, Rut., Md, MSU, IN, Pur., NW, IL, WI, IA, MN
Add: USC; UCLA; Oregon; Wash; Stanford; Cal, AZ
Lose: Nebraska
Flex: Give ND one opportunity to take the last (20th) slot in the combined B1G/P12 and if they decline, add Arizona
The allure for ND is this conference would contain 5 teams that they regularly play (USC, Stan., Pur., MI, MSU), they still will say no, but that's fine. Arizona is a fast growing area and has lots of B1G alumni. I would expect ND to finally join the ACC who could add someone like UConn or UCFlorida to get to 16. I would prefer ASU to AZ as they have a better football brand but they're not AAU and in this design, ever school in the new B1G would be AAU.


B16 16 team merger of B12 and P12
Existing Pac: ASU, Utah, CO, WSU, OrSU
Existing B12: IaSU, KSU, KU, OkSU, Baylor, TxTech, TCU, WVa
Add: Nebraska, BYU

Moving Nebraska to the B16 isn't designed to be a slight, although their on field product has clearly slipped in the B1G. I think they need to be able to recruit Texas to get back to consistent blue blood status and with the loss of their AAU status they would be the odd man in the all AAU new B1G. They would also be returning to many long standing rivalries and they wouldn't have to share a conference with OU/UT which previously was a point of friction. Finally, you really can't just take all of the good assets and not give up any good assets and Nebraska is the most valuable property that the B1G has that fits well with the B16.

Without the California schools, BYU shouldn't face the same type of resistance, particularly with religious schools like Baylor and TCU. They also come frontloaded with a worldwide audience of Latter Day Saint fans on their streaming service.

The P12's problem is that much of the country doesn't see them because they don't frequently play outside of the Pacific TZ. Breaking the P12 up between the B1G and B12 so that it is regularly playing in the Central TZ and on occasion in the Eastern TZ is my solution. In this design, only 3 schools in the B16 would be playing in Pacific time (plus ASU's last 2-3 games).
 
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altenberger22
dcphx said:
If I were realignment czar for a day, I would make 2 conferences out of the B1G, P12 , B12 and some independents like this:

B1G: 20 team merger of B1G and P12
Existing: PSU, OSU, MI, Rut., Md, MSU, IN, Pur., NW, IL, WI, IA, MN
Add: USC; UCLA; Oregon; Wash; Stanford; Cal, AZ
Lose: Nebraska
Flex: Give ND one opportunity to take the last (20th) slot in the combined B1G/P12 and if they decline, add Arizona
The allure for ND is this conference would contain 5 teams that they regularly play (USC, Stan., Pur., MI, MSU), they still will say no, but that's fine. Arizona is a fast growing area and has lots of B1G alumni. I would expect ND to finally join the ACC who could add someone like UConn or UCFlorida to get to 16. I would prefer ASU to AZ as they have a better football brand but they're not AAU and in this design, ever school in the new B1G would be AAU.


B16 16 team merger of B12 and P12
Existing Pac: ASU, Utah, CO, WSU, OrSU
Existing B12: IaSU, KSU, KU, OkSU, Baylor, TxTech, TCU, WVa
Add: Nebraska, BYU

Moving Nebraska to the B16 isn't designed to be a slight, although their on field product has clearly slipped in the B1G. I think they need to be able to recruit Texas to get back to consistent blue blood status and with the loss of their AAU status they would be the odd man in the all AAU new B1G. They would also be returning to many long standing rivalries and they wouldn't have to share a conference with OU/UT which previously was a point of friction. Finally, you really can't just take all of the good assets and not give up any good assets and Nebraska is the most valuable property that the B1G has that fits well with the B16.

Without the California schools, BYU shouldn't face the same type of resistance, particularly with religious schools like Baylor and TCU. They also come frontloaded with a worldwide audience of Latter Day Saint fans on their streaming service.

The P12's problem is that much of the country doesn't see them because they don't frequently play outside of the Pacific TZ. Breaking the P12 up between the B1G and B12 so that it is regularly playing in the Central TZ and on occasion in the Eastern TZ is my solution. In this design, only 3 schools in the B16 would be playing in Pacific time (plus ASU's last 2-3 games).
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Some legitimate thinking here...................albeit "fantasy world".
 
#642      
SescIllini
Maybe I'm old school, but I don't like these superconferences. Knew it was coming since early 90's. But thought it would be 4 superconferences of roughly 14 teams each. Now we are talking about 3 conferences with roughly 20 teams.
 
#643      
PIT_ILL
TheFameProtector said:
I can't keep up with the thread: is there any legitimate evidence/reporting/scuttlebutt we might raid the PAC, or is this mostly just conjecture?
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The only thing I have seen is there was some "reporting" that USC wanted out of the PAC so they could get more exposure. Seems a bit of shine is coming off of their brand.
 
#644      
PIT_ILL
dcphx said:
If I were realignment czar for a day, I would make 2 conferences out of the B1G, P12 , B12 and some independents like this:

B1G: 20 team merger of B1G and P12
Existing: PSU, OSU, MI, Rut., Md, MSU, IN, Pur., NW, IL, WI, IA, MN
Add: USC; UCLA; Oregon; Wash; Stanford; Cal, AZ
Lose: Nebraska
Flex: Give ND one opportunity to take the last (20th) slot in the combined B1G/P12 and if they decline, add Arizona
The allure for ND is this conference would contain 5 teams that they regularly play (USC, Stan., Pur., MI, MSU), they still will say no, but that's fine. Arizona is a fast growing area and has lots of B1G alumni. I would expect ND to finally join the ACC who could add someone like UConn or UCFlorida to get to 16. I would prefer ASU to AZ as they have a better football brand but they're not AAU and in this design, ever school in the new B1G would be AAU.


B16 16 team merger of B12 and P12
Existing Pac: ASU, Utah, CO, WSU, OrSU
Existing B12: IaSU, KSU, KU, OkSU, Baylor, TxTech, TCU, WVa
Add: Nebraska, BYU

Moving Nebraska to the B16 isn't designed to be a slight, although their on field product has clearly slipped in the B1G. I think they need to be able to recruit Texas to get back to consistent blue blood status and with the loss of their AAU status they would be the odd man in the all AAU new B1G. They would also be returning to many long standing rivalries and they wouldn't have to share a conference with OU/UT which previously was a point of friction. Finally, you really can't just take all of the good assets and not give up any good assets and Nebraska is the most valuable property that the B1G has that fits well with the B16.

Without the California schools, BYU shouldn't face the same type of resistance, particularly with religious schools like Baylor and TCU. They also come frontloaded with a worldwide audience of Latter Day Saint fans on their streaming service.

The P12's problem is that much of the country doesn't see them because they don't frequently play outside of the Pacific TZ. Breaking the P12 up between the B1G and B12 so that it is regularly playing in the Central TZ and on occasion in the Eastern TZ is my solution. In this design, only 3 schools in the B16 would be playing in Pacific time (plus ASU's last 2-3 games).
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This makes a lot of sense. Which obviously means it will never happen.
 
#645      
BZuppke
My thoughts are that the PAC 12 and B1G simply operate differently. I do not think any school will ever be politely asked to leave. I also do not believe any schools will leave voluntarily for greener pastures either. These schools are actually run by the academic end of things (why Michigan has now settled for non elite status). We can add schools and possible have a special relationship between the two leagues but no one will leave or be asked to leave.
 
#646      
TheFameProtector
PIT_ILL said:
The only thing I have seen is there was some "reporting" that USC wanted out of the PAC so they could get more exposure. Seems a bit of shine is coming off of their brand.
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USC would be unbelievable.

Question for the board: assuming the B1G expands to 16 or more teams in the near future, should it still be called the Big Ten? At what point does the number of teams being way > 10 outstrip the historical significance of the conference's name?
 
#647      
Go Nats 88 Illini
The Big Ten is a great name and it should stay. While dated, perhaps, it is a good brand and should stand the test of time. I know they were the Big Nine after Chicago left (and I thnk maybe in the very early years), but bouncing around to different numbers (Like the Big 8/6/7/12 has - and makes it sound like a wannabe Big Ten conference) does not make sense to me. JMO
 
#648      
Joel Goodson
BZuppke said:
My thoughts are that the PAC 12 and B1G simply operate differently. I do not think any school will ever be politely asked to leave. I also do not believe any schools will leave voluntarily for greener pastures either. These schools are actually run by the academic end of things (why Michigan has now settled for non elite status). We can add schools and possible have a special relationship between the two leagues but no one will leave or be asked to leave.
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Maybe. But money has a strange effect on folks.
 
#649      
Buck Turgidson
mattcoldagelli said:
I mean, somebody take your best shot at what Bowlsby can say in that meeting that sounds like a win to the PAC-12. I am all ears.
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I get the b12 - PAC12 talks for one reason. If USC and a few other of the top PAC schools leave for the B1G, the remaining PAC would merge with the remaining b12. It seems like a contingency for a worst case scenario for the PAC, and of course it makes the b12 a bit more relevant
 
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