Chicago Bulls 2024-2025

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MustangWally
Roundball Sage said:
Regarding the Sox and Bulls Owner Mr. Reinsdorf... say (uh, stay with me now) that he’s just the greatest guy in the World! So misunderstood. So underappreciated. So much that we are so lucky to have him in the City of Broad Shoulders...

Having gotten all that out of the way... consider this:

He bought the White Sox in 1981. They have ONE title in 43 years under his leadership.

He bought the Bulls in 1985. They have SIX titles in 39 years under his leadership (and one very lucky draft pick that would have changed anyone’s franchise history).

Combined, that is SEVEN titles in 82 YEARS of his franchise(s) ownership and leadership. That’s a batting average of .085... Well below the Mendoza Line of .200. In fact, WAY below it.

His record – such as it is – speaks for itself. Whether or not fans should appreciate him (or not) is personal choice, as is whether or not his ownership performance is seen as admirable... or pretty much an underachieving failure.

And if you ever run into Michael Jordan, ask him (and other Bulls and Sox players too) about their true feelings about The Owner. You'll get more fireworks right there than the Bulls or Sox are likely to generate in the next five seasons combined.
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How does that compare to other team owners?
 
#58      
Roundball Sage
Carter Waller said:
And Pippen, Horace Grant, Tony Kukoc and Phil Jackson.
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Of course they were key pieces. But the truth is that they had their chance to win titles without Jordan when he took a break from roundball -- and they couldn't do it just on their own. Jordan as GOAT was the central core and soul of the team and the others were nice surrounding elements. The Bulls never won a title without Michael.
 
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the juiceman cometh
Roundball Sage said:
Of course they were key pieces. But the truth is that they had their chance to win titles without Jordan when he took a break from roundball -- and they couldn't do it just on their own. Jordan as GOAT was the central core and soul of the team and the others were nice surrounding elements. The Bulls never won a title without Michael.
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You can use the same logic to discount the success of other modern NBA dynasties like the Spurs (couldn't win without Tim Duncan) or the Warriors (couldn't win without Steph). By that metric, nobody actually does a good job and everyone that wins is just lucky.

None of that changes the fact that the Bulls have 6 championships, which makes them the 4th most successful NBA franchise of all time.
 
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logjam
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#68      
EyeoftheIllini
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
Zac they have, yes. Vuc they haven't tried to to until more recently.
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Not so sure how true the former is. Certainly not shopping Vuc as aggressively, but if they could have gotten a good deal for him last year or in off season I think he would have been gone. With this past draft being a down one, I think they were just being picky. It’s not like they didn’t know last year that they wouldn’t re-sign DeRozan and that the Spurs had the protected pick.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand
EyeoftheIllini said:
Not so sure how true the former is. Certainly not shopping Vuc as aggressively, but if they could have gotten a good deal for him last year or in off season I think he would have been gone. With this past draft being a down one, I think they were just being picky. It’s not like they didn’t know last year that they wouldn’t re-sign DeRozan and that the Spurs had the protected pick.
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Zac would have likely been gone by now had he not gotten hurt last season. Vuc will be gone once they can find the right trade partner as Jalen Smith is already on the roster to replace him.
 
#71      
EyeoftheIllini
Ayo goes 25-5-5 and him and THT are the only ones on team with positive +/- Jazz entered game as worst offensive teams and put up crazy shooting stats to get the win. Saw LaVine was out (Ayo started). Anyone know what the I just is?
 
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