Guess it's a clubhouse issue. Under investigation. We will hear more later.
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2016 White Sox
bdutts
- Houston, Texas
Apparently, he didn't like the throwback jerseys they were supposed to wear and damaged them. As per this link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ox-for-clubhouse-incident-20160723-story.html
ILL in IA
- Iowa City
Here is what I hope they do...
Sale to Texas, and I'd want Profar, Gallo, Brinson and Dillon Tate
Quintana and Melky to Boston. Boston needs pitching and a left fielder. I want Benintendi, Devers see if you can get a lower level pitcher and get lucky.
See what you can get for Frazier. Maybe Houston will bite with their desperate need for a bat. Hope after some struggles you could get AJ Reed. If you land Reed maybe you can look at sending Abreau somewhere
The sox are in a unique spot. Most bad teams don't have 3 or 4 valuable trading pieces. They could get a lot of close to ready MLB talent. A few months ago I would have hated myself for saying they should be trading these guys. I just don't see any other option any more.
Sale to Texas, and I'd want Profar, Gallo, Brinson and Dillon Tate
Quintana and Melky to Boston. Boston needs pitching and a left fielder. I want Benintendi, Devers see if you can get a lower level pitcher and get lucky.
See what you can get for Frazier. Maybe Houston will bite with their desperate need for a bat. Hope after some struggles you could get AJ Reed. If you land Reed maybe you can look at sending Abreau somewhere
The sox are in a unique spot. Most bad teams don't have 3 or 4 valuable trading pieces. They could get a lot of close to ready MLB talent. A few months ago I would have hated myself for saying they should be trading these guys. I just don't see any other option any more.
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No way would that be enough.
Yeah, I agree. That is a deal without a single elite player. In fact, profar is the best player and his greatest value is at the same position as our best young player.
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Getting a prospect for Gonzalez would be s major coup.
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Why didn't Robertson pitch last night?
Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
Who would have thought that he would be the best former Oriole pitching in Chicago last night?
He pitched Saturday night (rain delay v. Tigers), Sunday morning (continuation of Sat night game), and Sunday evening (closed out double header v. Tigers).
Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
Makes sense. Urias is exactly the type of prospect that needs to be included in this detail. If we cannot get a ready to contribute, high probability future All-Star for Sale, then we can't trade him. It takes more prospects than one such prospect, but without a prospect of that caliber you cannot even start discussions given Sale's ability and contract. That is why I think only a couple of teams have the players to deal for Sale. Gallo doesn't do it. Despite the incredible depth the Cubs system has, they don't have a singular player that could make it happen.
That's why I've thought all along that Boston is the team that is best situated to get Sale. They have the most elite talent. Also, their elite talent is offensive/defensive and not pitching. I think that matters given our team's inability to draft and develop in that area and the higher probability that a pitcher will end up being useless based on an injury.
Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
Yup, completely agree. Get Benintendi and Moncada from the Red Sox.
My preferred package would definitely include these two, but I really wish we'd send him to the NL. Also would be nice to have him conveniently traded to where I'm currently situated :thumb:
Bob Christiansen
- 4th & Chalmers, a few years ago...Now? Weeki Wach
And the Crosstown Cup stays on the right side of town again!!!
My guess is that is a ridiculous point made to set expectations. I live in Boston. The fans and the talking heads have equally ridiculous expectations about what it would take to get Sale. It is the opinion here that a package of either Benintendi or Moncado along with Swihart and a lower level prospect is sufficient. Even the people willing to give up the most are talking as if one A-level player is sufficient when a couple of B-level players are included. Essentially, no one is willing to give up more than one of Benintendi, Moncado, Devers, and Bradley Jr. They then include Swihart, Espinoza, Kopech, and Johnson as a group of players that our Sox could take two of. And that is it in their opinion.
Now, those are just fans and not the front office. But, the guys they put on the radio who are said to be connected to the team agree that there is no way the Red Sox give up more than one of Benintendi, Moncado, and Devers in any deal.
Honestly with Sale's contract like it is, that is probably what he is worth. The problem is that no team would be willing to part with that many top prospects plus young mlb level all-star talents for one guy. Basically Sale's performance level matched with his salary and remaining years is almost priceless.
It's been interesting. If you look at his heat maps on fangraphs he has changed the location that he pitches to. He's really pounded the part of the zone that is down and in to a righty over the last several starts. Before that he was more up and on the outer half of the plate. Also, there are far fewer real hot spots in the earlier starts suggesting that not only has he changed where he is pitching, but he's actually hitting his spots better.
Just for fun, I checked his heat maps for 2011-2013. He had some hot spots indicating command, but it was surprisingly centered at the center of the plate just above the knees. He's lost quite a bit of velocity since then. In fact, he's lost a lot in the last two years. Perhaps this has driven him to find somewhere that he can pitch and get by with movement.
But yeah, I hope this drives someone to trade for him. If we could get a realistic backup catcher, or a pitcher with potential, that would be great.
I agree with you in principle. That is another reason why Boston is the only place that makes real sense. Their offense is strong. They have talent everywhere on the diamond and throughout their system. You know what they lack though - someone to start game 1 or game 7. David Price was supposed to be that guy, but he has struggled. If they think that Pomeranz fills that void, the trade is not a fit. But, in my opinion they are a pitcher away from being the prohibitive favorites in the AL. A rotation of Sale, Price, Pomeranz, and Porcello would be better than anything any other team can send out there. And they'd have Wright ready to jump in and eat up innings in the event that someone struggles.
So, given the amount of talent they have, I would trade some to dramatically improve my chances this year. And next year. But that's my opinion, and I may be irrational due to my team rarely competing. But I'd take my chances when the opportunity presents itself.
The broadcast last night quoted Shields citing pacing as the root of his problems. Too much time between pitches? I dont know, man. Baseball players get way inside their own heads sometimes.
Word out this morning that Shields is being shopped. This is going to be a weird week, and I'm still putting my bet on next to nothing happening in the end.
In all sports it's best to not overthink. It's particularly pronounced in baseball (and golf if you consider that a sport) because there is so much time to actually think. It's one of the reasons I love watching it even when Jacob Turner is serving up predictable grand slams. But it can be tough on the athletes.
I am disgusted by the lack of moves today. Hahn and the rest of these guys clearly have no clue. So, we'll go into next year with the same streaky, slightly below 0.500 team that we had this year. You look at what the Yankees did this week and wonder what in the world is going on with our front office. Good grief. We had such superior assets, yet the Yankees will be back in playoff contention in two years and we'll be waving good bye to a bunch of guys that never got us to the postseason.
I just cannot understand what these guys were thinking. Look at the free agents for the coming year. There is nothing. No chance to improve the team in any meaningful way other than through trades.
Pathetic.
I just cannot understand what these guys were thinking. Look at the free agents for the coming year. There is nothing. No chance to improve the team in any meaningful way other than through trades.
Pathetic.
I'm fine standing pat with Quintana/Sale if they think they'll have more suitors this off season. There's really no reason not to sell high on guys like Shields, Gonzalez, Robertson etc. I guess they want to be bowled over by every offer.
Looks like Charlie Tilson will be the last interesting element to this season. He makes his debut tomorrow. He'd have been in the majors with STL soon enough, and had a pretty easy time getting on base in the minors. Legit CF defensively, + speed. We'll see about the bat.