St Louis Cardinals 2024

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illiniwil
IlliniFan85 said:
New report stating no Goldie next year.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Cardinals To Part Ways With Paul Goldschmidt, Could Reduce Payroll This Winter

The Cardinals do not plan on bringing veteran first baseman Paul Goldschmidt back in 2025, according to a report from …
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Report also states team is going to drop payroll just like Sonny Gray story earlier. If this is true fans really won't show up next year. And DeWallet will truly show he only cares about revenue.
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This plus, Oli and Moz sticking around and the birds might not draw 2 million fans next year. (is
that the kind of revenue he's after?) if they cant afford this franchise they should get out. My guess
is they can make a pretty penny in the sale.

Skip might not want this job, its a sinking ship. we're about to be the Pirates franchise. the Sonny
Grey rumor is confirmation that it was a bad signing to begin with. Nobody on the outside thought
he was a #1 starter and without a #2 or #3 but instead a group of #5's in Lynn, Gibson, Mikolas, etc.

Now were going to give Moz a chance to fix what he's broken. (seems familiar doesn't it?) We might
be going the direction of the White Sox sitting and hoping for a sale.
 
#1,702      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
Chaim Bloom to take over Mozeliak's role as President of Baseball Operations starting in 2026. Mozeliak will make day-to-day decisions through next year but long-term decisions will involve Bloom and ownership. Girsch is no longer the GM with his title now changed to VP of special projects. Mozeliak also says he expects player payroll to go down as well.
 
#1,703      
whatahack
Bernie's Redbird Review: Bill DeWitt Jr. Still Doesn't Get It. - Scoops Sports Network
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Bernie's Redbird Review: Bill DeWitt Jr. Still Doesn't Get It. - Scoops Sports Network

THE REDBIRD REVIEW The Cardinals are Bill DeWitt Jr.’s franchise, and he can do what he wants. But it’s a mistake to keep John Mozeliak in place as the president of baseball operations for 2025. Mozeliak planned to retire after next season, anyway. And DeWitt didn’t have to fire his longtime...
www.scoopswithdannymac.com www.scoopswithdannymac.com
 
#1,704      
Se Il Illini
whatahack said:
Bernie's Redbird Review: Bill DeWitt Jr. Still Doesn't Get It. - Scoops Sports Network
www.scoopswithdannymac.com

Bernie's Redbird Review: Bill DeWitt Jr. Still Doesn't Get It. - Scoops Sports Network

THE REDBIRD REVIEW The Cardinals are Bill DeWitt Jr.’s franchise, and he can do what he wants. But it’s a mistake to keep John Mozeliak in place as the president of baseball operations for 2025. Mozeliak planned to retire after next season, anyway. And DeWitt didn’t have to fire his longtime...
www.scoopswithdannymac.com www.scoopswithdannymac.com
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That is a good read.
 
#1,705      
pruman91
www.stltoday.com

Chaim Bloom will take over as Cardinals’ president of baseball operations after 2025

Follow updates from the St. Louis Cardinals press conference about the "shift in direction" that will restructure the team's operations.
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Cardinals don't call it a 'rebuild,' but the build is on nonetheless toward Chaim Bloom era

Ownership announces shift toward youth and the future that will see John Mozeliak's final year, a reduced payroll and Bloom modernizing player development before he takes over in 2026.
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BenFred: By prioritizing sendoff season for John Mozeliak, Cardinals cloud message of change

It's still the the "Mo Show" for the Cardinals, as Monday's news conference made clear.
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pruman91
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#1,707      
GILL-INOIS
Not thrilled about dropping payroll and don't trust the front office, BUT I have very slight hope they can cut payroll and actually be at the same level if not better than this season(not saying that is good). I say slight hope......possible ways to drop $ quick and reinvest.

Drop $26M from Goldy

Pay Kyle Gibson $1M buyout and not pickup option

Pay Lance Lynn $1M buyout and not pickup option

Those are the minimum moves to drop a ton of money quick. Continue that transition period until we get crap contracts of Mikolas and Matz of around $30M off the books after next season(barring a miracle quicker). More of a continual phase than transition when the pitching staff is full of #4-5 aging pitchers.
 
#1,714      
illiniwil
I'll keep track of the birds since i have my whole life, but i refuse to purchase a STL ticket
with this front office in shambles. (I might see the birds in a visitors ballpark i haven't been
before or a close weekend trip.) I understand that could be a long time. A year of lame
duck Moz will turn into a new VP Bloom and few, if any, other changes next year. I believe
that is the owners way to keep his "guys" around. The comment earlier in the year about
"if the fans don't show up, we'll be forced to reduce payroll" chapped my !!!. This organization
is on him, not the fans. Building a minor league takes a minimum of 3-4 years. Infrastructure,
Drafting, Instruction, Trades to bring in youth, is not going to happen overnight. Bloom has
not been through that, he had Red Sox money to throw around.
 
#1,716      
jmwillini
Roster moves after Monday's presser, (and don't get me started on that fiasco).

If you let Paul, Kyle and Lance go, that;s over $50 million of which you can try to deal Mikolas and Matz and Arenado, thereby dumping anothe $50 or so million. Add Gray and that's another $30 million.

Pitching
Sonny Gray Trade I guess, if they are really going the cheap route.
Erick Fedde Keep at least until trade deadline.
Ryan Fernandez Keep
Kyle Gibson Keep, fairly cheap innings eater. Or let go to have $$$ for paying down trade of others.
Ryan Helsley Keep until trade deadline, then package for a haul if still light's out.
John King One of 3 or 4 relievers to try and keep.
Andrew Kittredge Try to keep.
Kyle Leahy Try to keep.
Matthew Liberatore Keep, still hasn't turned 25. Rushed to majors to quickly in my opinion.
Lance Lynn Buyout
Steven Matz Trade for a Class A lottery type, even if throwing in cash. Can't stay healthy.
Michael McGreevy Keep
Kenyan Middleton One of 3 or 4 relievers to try and keep.
Miles Mikolas Trade with cash for a Class A lottery ticket type. Innings eater for someone.
Riley O'Brien Trade or release
Andre Pallante Keeper
JoJo Romero One of 3 or 4 relievers to try and keep.
Chris Roycroft Trade or release

Catchers
Wilsson Contreras Keep, unless a really good offer. I don't believe Herrera can be a starter.
Iván Herrera Trade. Excellent bat and trade value, but DH only. 55 steals given up only 4 caught.
Pedro Pagés Backup

Infielders
Nolan Arenado Trade for prospects if possible. Throw in cash to get better quality.
Luken Baker Backup/Platoon, I guess. Not sure he will ever be more than an AAAA player.
José Fermín Trade/release
Paul Goldschmidt Let walk as free agent. Thanks for your years.
Nolan Gorman What is his trade value. If still decent prospects, trade, preferably to AL.
Thomas Saggese Kepper, part of the future.
Masyn Winn Current face of the franchise.

Outfielders
Alec Burleson I would trade him, though I know others wouldn't. 1b platoon with Baker?
Brendan Donovan Keeper
Lars Nootbaar I would trade. Still has value, but too injury prone. Can't let him become O'Neil wher value drops.
Michael Siani Keeper for now. Too good as 4th outfielder. Now if he can figure out hitting.
Jordan Walker Wouldn't trade unless overwhelmed and then only to an AL team.

DH
Matt Carpenter Goodbye Matt. Would really like to know how you went from a doubles machine to a pull everything all or nothing hitter. (And all to often nothing.)
 
#1,717      
Illwinsagain
jmwillini said:
Roster moves after Monday's presser, (and don't get me started on that fiasco).

If you let Paul, Kyle and Lance go, that;s over $50 million of which you can try to deal Mikolas and Matz and Arenado, thereby dumping anothe $50 or so million. Add Gray and that's another $30 million.

Pitching
Sonny Gray Trade I guess, if they are really going the cheap route.
Erick Fedde Keep at least until trade deadline.
Ryan Fernandez Keep
Kyle Gibson Keep, fairly cheap innings eater. Or let go to have $$$ for paying down trade of others.
Ryan Helsley Keep until trade deadline, then package for a haul if still light's out.
John King One of 3 or 4 relievers to try and keep.
Andrew Kittredge Try to keep.
Kyle Leahy Try to keep.
Matthew Liberatore Keep, still hasn't turned 25. Rushed to majors to quickly in my opinion.
Lance Lynn Buyout
Steven Matz Trade for a Class A lottery type, even if throwing in cash. Can't stay healthy.
Michael McGreevy Keep
Kenyan Middleton One of 3 or 4 relievers to try and keep.
Miles Mikolas Trade with cash for a Class A lottery ticket type. Innings eater for someone.
Riley O'Brien Trade or release
Andre Pallante Keeper
JoJo Romero One of 3 or 4 relievers to try and keep.
Chris Roycroft Trade or release

Catchers
Wilsson Contreras Keep, unless a really good offer. I don't believe Herrera can be a starter.
Iván Herrera Trade. Excellent bat and trade value, but DH only. 55 steals given up only 4 caught.
Pedro Pagés Backup

Infielders
Nolan Arenado Trade for prospects if possible. Throw in cash to get better quality.
Luken Baker Backup/Platoon, I guess. Not sure he will ever be more than an AAAA player.
José Fermín Trade/release
Paul Goldschmidt Let walk as free agent. Thanks for your years.
Nolan Gorman What is his trade value. If still decent prospects, trade, preferably to AL.
Thomas Saggese Kepper, part of the future.
Masyn Winn Current face of the franchise.

Outfielders
Alec Burleson I would trade him, though I know others wouldn't. 1b platoon with Baker?
Brendan Donovan Keeper
Lars Nootbaar I would trade. Still has value, but too injury prone. Can't let him become O'Neil wher value drops.
Michael Siani Keeper for now. Too good as 4th outfielder. Now if he can figure out hitting.
Jordan Walker Wouldn't trade unless overwhelmed and then only to an AL team.

DH
Matt Carpenter Goodbye Matt. Would really like to know how you went from a doubles machine to a pull everything all or nothing hitter. (And all to often nothing.)
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I haven't followed closely enough to be able to assess your thoughts here, but something has to change. My question, I used to be a believer in the minor league system with their "Cardinal Way". It appears to have dropped off significantly in the past 5-7 years. Is it worth getting a bunch of prospects when the development of those prospects has become more of a crap shoot? Is Bloom really going to make that big of a change? If he is "all that", I am fine with a complete rebuild. I just don't want the $1,000,000 house to be built on sand.
 
#1,718      
OrangeBlue98
Illwinsagain said:
I haven't followed closely enough to be able to assess your thoughts here, but something has to change. My question, I used to be a believer in the minor league system with their "Cardinal Way". It appears to have dropped off significantly in the past 5-7 years. Is it worth getting a bunch of prospects when the development of those prospects has become more of a crap shoot? Is Bloom really going to make that big of a change? If he is "all that", I am fine with a complete rebuild. I just don't want the $1,000,000 house to be built on sand.
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The farm system has been gutted to mortgage all of these "just one more piece" moves over the last several years to keep the Cardinals in the hunt for the last wild card spot. Many of us warned about this for the better part of a decade.
 
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wpr
Illwinsagain said:
I haven't followed closely enough to be able to assess your thoughts here, but something has to change. My question, I used to be a believer in the minor league system with their "Cardinal Way". It appears to have dropped off significantly in the past 5-7 years. Is it worth getting a bunch of prospects when the development of those prospects has become more of a crap shoot? Is Bloom really going to make that big of a change? If he is "all that", I am fine with a complete rebuild. I just don't want the $1,000,000 house to be built on sand.
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I have to agree with you. As I read jmwillini's post I realized I don't really know much about the 2024 team.
It does seem that Mo & Co has frequently traded MLB players for prospects that didn't pan out as expected.
I won't have an issue if they let Goldie walk. At 36, he may want to play for another couple of years. If he can get $10-15 mil per, I don't blame him for trying. Which brings me to the question, he played for StL for 6 seasons. would that be enough to get him into the Cardinals' Hall? His slash line is good but not outstanding. .278/.360/.483 with a pretty good OPS of .843. His WAR is a respectable 22.9 but he was paid $144 million for that production. An MVP and GG help but don't make him a slam dunk either.

Before posting this I went and looked at other hitters that were voted in by the fans. Herr, Holliday, Rolen and Torre have similar comps, more or less. I guess that means Paul will probably make the Cardinal Hall some day.
 
#1,720      
Illwinsagain
OrangeBlue98 said:
The farm system has been gutted to mortgage all of these "just one more piece" moves over the last several years to keep the Cardinals in the hunt for the last wild card spot. Many of us warned about this for the better part of a decade.
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I guess my concern is when we hear about the top prospects for a couple of years, in days past, when they came up, they performed better (could be revisionist history).
 
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