pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
They have and always will be scUM to me......just add whatever after the scUM and you will be politically correct.....You really really will be.............JMHO.................
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Good, because i think you should disagree less
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
His players have learned its OK to cheat as long you win. This Univ of Michigan ethic? (bring back Fab 5 banners even though they cheated, kicked out of B10, physically attacking other teams coach). I disagree as well.
I played for him at USD. I didn’t learn to cheat. I learned if you work hard, are disciplined and are held to high standards then your efforts pay off. I also learned that it’s a two way street with him. If you put in the effort, he’ll put effort into you. That’s how he gained our respect. He helped many former teammates find a place in the world after their playing days were over as well. It was fun to collectively destroy the competition (usually), like having our qb throw 7tds in the first half and not let up in the second. The other team wasn’t too happy, but that wasn’t our problem. So yeah, in my experience particularly with Jimbo, respect and loyalty mattered, and other people’s feelings about what we were doing and how did not matter… at all.
He’s far from perfect, but I still like him.
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So he taught you that cheating equates to “high standards” and that the goal of college athletics is to “destroy the competition” and that “respect” is only relevant if you are on his team and there is no need to have respect for anyone else. Got it.
sbillini
- st petersburg, fl
You can have the adoration of those around you (which i certainly don't think is all that matters at all), be governed by a corrupt institution, and still have zero moral compass. All three are possible and, in fact, probably all feed off of each other.
The likely fact of the matter is, all D1 coaches (Bielema included) are probably looking at ways to bend and find loopholes of all these rules. And, as we've seen, the ones at the very top (blue bloods, etc.) tend to have more "resources" to do it with. Further, all their peers are also trying to catch each other and bring them down. The fact that Harbaugh was been caught more often than most (regardless of "how" he got caught) probably means he's doing something either more egregious, or just isn't playing the game as well to hide it.
Or just plain reckless…..
89illini
- Grand Rapids, MI
Michigan football's once spotless reputation in tatters after decisions to win at all cost
The short con national title: Michigan football's long-awaited national championship has damaged its once spotless reputation.
www.usatoday.com
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
I doubt he was cheating yet when he coached at USD. Pretty clear with multiple violations at Michigan he was doing things differently. He did not win B10 till he started cheating. Illinois lost by 1 play at Michigan in 2023. Was Michigan sign stealing the difference between a win and the loss? Was cheating fair to the Illini football team who could have played in the B10 championship? Harbaugh legacy at Michigan to outsiders is he cheated and he won then he left for NFL.
Michigan football sign-stealing scandal, explained: Why coach Jim Harbaugh was suspended
As Michigan prepares to face Washington in the College Football Playoff championship game, here's a look back at the Wolverines' sign-stealing scandal
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Report: Jim Harbaugh, Michigan Charged by NCAA for Withholding Info in 2020 Probe
The NCAA sent Michigan and head football coach Jim Harbaugh a notice of allegations regarding previous recruiting violations that are unrelated to the ongoing…
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Why was Jim Harbaugh suspended? The University of Michigan football cheating scandal explained
The outcome of the investigation, the far-reaching implications, and impact on the Michigan football program served as motivation for the National Champs
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spotless reputation??Michigan football's once spotless reputation in tatters after decisions to win at all cost
The short con national title: Michigan football's long-awaited national championship has damaged its once spotless reputation.www.usatoday.com
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
Once spotless in 1879, but even then...
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
Rules clearly ban in person scouting. Michigan sent Connor Stallion to do exactly that, fired him when they got caught, then lied and deleted evidence when talking to NCAA investigators. I don't see how you could call this bending the rules or finding a loop hole.
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.....Manuel also knew that Moore had, according to the NCAA, 52 text messages between he and former staffer Connor Stalions the day after Stalions' alleged advanced scouting scheme was exposed.....
Michigan football's once spotless reputation in tatters after decisions to win at all cost
The short con national title: Michigan football's long-awaited national championship has damaged its once spotless reputation.
www.usatoday.com
...The NCAA presented the University of Michigan with new evidence this week, including that a Michigan booster may have at least partially funded Connor Stalions’ advanced scouting operation and an assistant coach allegedly participated in the destruction of evidence on a computer after the scandal broke, industry sources tell Yahoo Sports....
Petitti (B10 commissioner) declared it “an organized, extensive, years-long in-person advance scouting scheme that was impermissible,” he wrote in a letter announcing the original suspension. He explained he felt the need to immediately punish the program — by suspending Harbaugh — because “such misconduct inherently compromises the integrity of competition.”
Sources: NCAA's evidence vs. Michigan included booster involvement in scouting scheme, attempted destruction of evidence
The revelations altered Michigan’s and Jim Harbaugh’s legal approach. Both the school and Harbaugh dropped an attempt to secure a temporary restraining order against a three-game Big Ten suspension.
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No. But think whatever makes you happy. Doesn’t matter to me.
Instead of ‘destroying the competition’, would you rather players adopt a mindset where they ask the opposing teams nicely to go three and out every possession because they’d love to make a bowl game this year?
OrangeBlue98
- Des Moines, IA
At best, I'd tolerate him because he wins and I realize every successful program has some element of bending the rules to it.
IMO the rule wasn’t bent. It was methodically and deliberately broken. Why go to such great lengths to destroy the evidence of a bent rule? If it was bent, don’t you call it a gray area and ask the NCAA to revise it for clarification? Does it really seem vague or ambiguous?
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- the Front Range
OrangeBlue98
- Des Moines, IA
Which is exactly why I said "at best". I'm just not naive enough to think that if you want to be successful, you can play 100% by the rules. The issue is the big players are getting away with it, so you have to keep up and try to at least get to "plausible deniability" (i.e. the North Carolina academic fraud defense where they said "How can this be an illegal benefit when the entire student body can take bogus classes??").
Once I saw North Carolina get away with blatant academic fraud, I realized you must pick one - run a 100% clean program or take winning seriously. You can't do both.
Clicks baby. The business model has gone through a major overhaul now that anyone can publish anything and a lot of people choose to live in a distorted self-made bubble. Perhaps one day the emperor will put his clothes back on, but that day is not today.
In other news, Moore finally has his contract at UM. Nothing says confidence in your guy like an unbelievably small buyout. He's going to have to win some games to not become a sacrificial lamb and renegotiate that thing. Be curious what the over/under on that is and how much time they'll give him.
In other news, Moore finally has his contract at UM. Nothing says confidence in your guy like an unbelievably small buyout. He's going to have to win some games to not become a sacrificial lamb and renegotiate that thing. Be curious what the over/under on that is and how much time they'll give him.
Well, this year their ceiling is 9-3. Already blown out by Texas, and likely the same vs Oregon and osu, and maybe usc to go 8-4. One or two upsets they’re looking at 7-5 or 6-6. Unless they completely melt down I think he gets one more year after a public ‘vote of confidence’. So 2 total. Expect media leaks saying how unhappy people are, or about dysfunction, to help the administration justify a firing after year 2.
I think they already know he’s not the guy.
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