Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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PleaseMakeABowlGame
PepeSilvia said:
Honestly, if you're expecting to return a lot more guys for next year it would make sense to potentially save your money for impact adds in the transfer portal to fill your holes and build a very old and experienced roster.

For example, let's say both Kasparis and Riley go pro(not necessarily guaranteed but would be a good sign) and Humrichous will be out of eligibility. You could be looking at returning contributors of Boswell(sr), DGL(jr), Ty(sr), Tre White(sr), Davis(jr), Ivisic(old soph), Morez(soph), and Booth(jr).

If you get another year of Kasparis or Riley even better but that returning roster above could be competitive on their own and is better off adding one or two impact veteran transfer and lower ranked freshman that are willing to sit rather than getting highly ranked(expensive) freshman that want a role.
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Just because we aren't getting any? Sure.

I'm sure we would've been "better off" without Riley as well had he not committed.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
Disagree with saying we're "better off" without those pro level guys rather than having them. Any time you can get those level guys - such as Riley - most of the most times it's a win. Yes they are freshman, and underperforming might be the case at times, but very rarely is it taking an L getting those guys.

But if you're of the notion that we have to get top 10 guys every year and if we don't the sky's falling...that's just not all that reasonable an expectation IMO.
 
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illinifan1987
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Disagree with saying we're "better off" without those pro level guys rather than having them. Any time you can get those level guys - such as Riley - most of the most times it's a win. Yes they are freshman, and underperforming might be the case at times, but very rarely is it taking an L getting those guys.

But if you're of the notion that we have to get top 10 guys every year and if we don't the sky's falling...that's just not all that reasonable an expectation IMO.
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@SkyysNotFalling Any input? ;)
 
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Noblesville Illini
SAELION said:
Now that's clever. YOU DEVIL YOU.
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PepeSilvia
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Disagree with saying we're "better off" without those pro level guys rather than having them. Any time you can get those level guys - such as Riley - most of the most times it's a win. Yes they are freshman, and underperforming might be the case at times, but very rarely is it taking an L getting those guys.

But if you're of the notion that we have to get top 10 guys every year and if we don't the sky's falling...that's just not all that reasonable an expectation IMO.
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I'm not saying your taking an L, just that good college teams are generally made up of a bunch of returning older players.

Being old and experienced is a huge advantage. This year there was so much turnover that you just needed to add as much talent as possible. Next year when you could potentially return 6-7 guys that contributed this year means there might not be a ton of open minutes.

And in that case, I'd rather spend on a proven college player than a 5 star(unless that 5 star was like a Cooper Flagg/Dybantsa type guy but I don't think we're in the running for those types of guys). For example, Will Riley is probably more talented and will have a better pro career but simply for next season I'd rather have someone like Johnell Davis. Similarly, Antonio Reeves was the best guard on Kentucky for the last two seasons playing alongside top 10 picks like Sheppard, Dillingham, and Wallace(DJ Wagner was also the 6th ranked recruit too).
 
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wyckles
PepeSilvia said:
I'm not saying your taking an L, just that good college teams are generally made up of a bunch of returning older players.

Being old and experienced is a huge advantage. This year there was so much turnover that you just needed to add as much talent as possible. Next year when you could potentially return 6-7 guys that contributed this year means there might not be a ton of open minutes.

And in that case, I'd rather spend on a proven college player than a 5 star(unless that 5 star was like a Cooper Flagg/Dybantsa type guy but I don't think we're in the running for those types of guys). For example, Will Riley is probably more talented and will have a better pro career but simply for next season I'd rather have someone like Johnell Davis. Similarly, Antonio Reeves was the best guard on Kentucky for the last two seasons playing alongside top 10 picks like Sheppard, Dillingham, and Wallace(DJ Wagner was also the 6th ranked recruit too).
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That's a good point. Pro potential doesn't always make for a good college player and contributor. Johnny Furphy is a good example of that to me. He averaged 9ppg, 5rpg, and 1apg last year. There are a lot of players that can do that. He is leaving after one season and cost a bunch of money that didn't translate into wins. There DOES need to be a balance, though. If you are a good team, good players will want to show up for that, though.
 
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Emerson Bigguns
wyckles said:
That's a good point. Pro potential doesn't always make for a good college player and contributor. Johnny Furphy is a good example of that to me. He averaged 9ppg, 5rpg, and 1apg last year. There are a lot of players that can do that. He is leaving after one season and cost a bunch of money that didn't translate into wins. There DOES need to be a balance, though. If you are a good team, good players will want to show up for that, though.
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To be fair, Furphy was a bench player until midway through January. He averaged 12pts & 6.7 rebs as a starter. He basically matched Coleman Hawkins’ production as a starter and shot a higher percentage from the field than Marcus Domask.
There aren’t a lot of players who can do that.
 
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Joel Goodson
Emerson Bigguns said:
To be fair, Furphy was a bench player until midway through January. He averaged 12pts & 6.7 rebs as a starter. He basically matched Coleman Hawkins’ production as a starter and shot a higher percentage from the field than Marcus Domask.
There aren’t a lot of players who can do that.
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very true. OTOH, he's not Tasmanian
 
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PepeSilvia
Emerson Bigguns said:
To be fair, Furphy was a bench player until midway through January. He averaged 12pts & 6.7 rebs as a starter. He basically matched Coleman Hawkins’ production as a starter and shot a higher percentage from the field than Marcus Domask.
There aren’t a lot of players who can do that.
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Maybe I was just blinded by how bad Kansas was after McCullar got hurt(they should have lost to Sanford) but I thought Furphy was just ok, a nice piece but not really going to carry a team.

He had good length and he could knock down an open shot but was just kind of passive. I do think he would've been a good fit for last year's Illini team though since they could have used more shooting.

Also, you can't really compare him to Domask since Domask was twice the volume and the lead ball handler. Domask was posting up and shooting fadeaways for twos while Furphys were a lot of layups/dunks(Domask also shot a bit better if you start from Jan 1st onward).

Coleman's impact was far greater than the stats he put up. He did a ton of things that don't show up in the box score.
 
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Boskydell
jamarvelous31 said:
I like me a guy with PG skills who shoots 50% from 3...

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Looking very good vs New Zealand in u18 Asian final.
 
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