Illinois #12 in 2/19 AP Poll

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#51      
IlliniMike_Aurora
IlliniInIndy85 said:
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good stuff @IlliniInIndy85 ,

It's early, but if we take care of business this week, I think we move up 1 spot,

Houston will take out ISU and Baylor, but ISU will stay one ahead of us, and we'll jump Baylor

NOrth Carolina potential loss at Virginia, you know Virginia will come out strong after tonights "performance", (so that could be two spots)

Other notes: if Creighton happens to beat Uconn, Creighton jumps us,

and.... I feel Rutgers is going to lose by many many points @ Purdue Thursday
 
#53      
fatboyslim
FreshlySqueezed said:
They're all quad 2 losses.

Where a loss happen does make a difference, from a resume perspective.
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That's not the point. I was responding to what this person said below that we have a worst loss. We don't.
One Man Fast Break said:
Not at all, Illinois and Wisconsin are basically equal at this point. They have the two best wins but they have 3 not great losses compared to Illinois with 1 (but Illinois has the worst loss). Their record is worse but their SOS is better. Illinois has better efficiency metrics. It's very close. Higher seed could easily go to who wins @ Wisconsin on 3/2.
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And where does it say that where a loss is at makes a difference?

And furthermore what was said about both teams being basically equal isn't correct either.
 
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#54      
One Man Fast Break
fatboyslim said:
That's not the point. I was responding to what this person said below that we have a worst loss. We don't.


And where does it say that where a loss is at makes a difference?

And furthermore what was said about both teams being basically equal isn't correct either.
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Their tournament resumes are basically equal. Not necessarily how good people think they are.
 
#56      
FreshlySqueezed
fatboyslim said:
That's not the point. I was responding to what this person said below that we have a worst loss. We don't.


And where does it say that where a loss is at makes a difference?

And furthermore what was said about both teams being basically equal isn't correct either.
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The quad system is literally saying that, by design.

And there's at least an argument to be made that a home loss to Maryland is worse than a road loss to Michigan, though IMO they're probably about equal.

KenPom had us projected to beat Maryland at home by 13 and we lost by 9 (89% probability to win the game). KP had Wisconsin projected to beat Michigan by 6 on the road and they lost by 4 (73% probability of winning the game).
 
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fatboyslim
FreshlySqueezed said:
The quad system is literally saying that, by design.

And there's at least an argument to be made that a home loss to Maryland is worse than a road loss to Michigan, though IMO they're probably about equal.

KenPom had us projected to beat Maryland at home by 13 and we lost by 9 (89% probability to win the game). KP had Wisconsin projected to beat Michigan by 6 on the road and they lost by 4 (73% probability of winning the game).
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There's no argument. Michigan the absolute worst team in the conference and IMO they aren't equal. Not even close. Add to the fact that we were without our best player in the Maryland loss. What's Wisconsin's excuse?
 
#58      
stlrunner
fatboyslim said:
There's no argument. Michigan the absolute worst team in the conference and IMO they aren't equal. Not even close. Add to the fact that we were without our best player in the Maryland loss. What's Wisconsin's excuse?
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The fact that people continue to disagree with your opinion (by providing evidence such as KenPom stats to support their side of it) would seem to indicate that there IS an argument.
 
#59      
Brosky
I don't know about all this, but what I do know is that if we beat Penn State (we all know how hard it is to win on the road against ANY team) then come home and win against Iowa, we will hang on to that #12 and maybe we move up a notch or two. Furthermore, that keeps us just one game behind Purdue in the conference.
 
#61      
Illini2010-11
fatboyslim said:
There's no argument. Michigan the absolute worst team in the conference and IMO they aren't equal. Not even close. Add to the fact that we were without our best player in the Maryland loss. What's Wisconsin's excuse?
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You are 100% entitled to your opinion; however, the only entity that matters in this is the Selection Committee, and based upon the metrics they use to assess quality of wins/losses, Maryland home loss and Michigan road loss are actually quite close to equal in terms of how bad the loss is. Period. I still would argue that a home loss where you are a double-digit favorite KenPom/Vegas/etc. is a worse loss than losing on the road as a single-digit favorite (even to the worst team in the B1G). Yes, Michigan is bad, but winning road games is tough in the B1G (just ask Purdue).

The trend of Wisconsin likely shows that they will continue to falter, but to this point on 2/20/24 (in the eyes of the Committee) the resumes for Wisconsin and Illini are very similar. Wisconsin has by far better wins but a couple more losses and slightly lower NET. That is why the Illini were one spot higher than Wisconsin on Saturday. As of today, the Illini are probably a few spots higher than Wisconsin, but not by a significant margin. The problem for the Illini is that the resume is very low on high-qualify Quad 1 wins.

Good news is that there are still opportunities for Illini to improve the resume and lock up a 3 seed.
 
#62      
Birdus
IlliniMike_Aurora said:
good stuff @IlliniInIndy85 ,

It's early, but if we take care of business this week, I think we move up 1 spot,

Houston will take out ISU and Baylor, but ISU will stay one ahead of us, and we'll jump Baylor

NOrth Carolina potential loss at Virginia, you know Virginia will come out strong after tonights "performance", (so that could be two spots)

Other notes: if Creighton happens to beat Uconn, Creighton jumps us,

and.... I feel Rutgers is going to lose by many many points @ Purdue Thursday
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Baylor is very good and they are at home against Houston. It is more likely that Baylor loses at BYU on the road and beats Houston at home. My nephew is a Baylor addict and graduated from there. I have watched them off and on this year. They are much like us. If they are on, they can beat anyone. They will be at home so I will go with Baylor in that one.
 
#63      
Fighter of the Nightman
Since Kofi stepped foot on campus, the consistency of this program except for a pretty novel rebuilding/reloading experiment last season has been pretty remarkable...

2019-20
RV (preseason)
NR (after losing 90-69 at #21 Arizona)
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
#24 (after winning at Wisconsin and vs. Rutgers)
#21
#19
#20
#22
RV (after losing at Rutgers for our 4th straight loss)
RV
#23 (after 4-game winning streak including at #9 Penn State)
#21 (after beating #18 Iowa and winning 5 of our last 6)

2020-21
#8 (preseason)
#5
#6
#13 (after winning at #10 Duke but losing at Mizzou)
#18 (after losing at #19 Rutgers)
#15
#12
#14 (after our patented letdown vs. a bad Maryland team)
#22 (after losing to #21 Ohio State at home)
#19
#12 (after beating #7 Iowa)
#6 (after winning at Indiana and vs. #19 Wisconsin)
#5
#5
#4 (after winning at #23 Wisconsin without Ayo)
#3 (after demolishing #2 Michigan without Ayo and winning at #7 Ohio State)
#2 (after winning the BTT)
#8 (final poll after NCAA Tournament)

2021-22
#11 (preseason)
#10
#14 (after the loss at Marquette without Kofi)
RV (after getting smoked by Cincinnati and beating Kansas State)
RV
RV
RV
RV (top RV vote getter)
RV (top RV vote getter)
#25 (after winning 7 of our last 8 games, with the only loss to #11 Arizona)
#17
#24 (after losses to #4 Purdue in double OT and at Maryland without Kofi)
#18 (after beating #10 Michigan State without Kofi and winning at Northwestern)
#13 (after beating #11 Wisconsin and winning 74-57 at Indiana)
#12
#15
#20 (after a strange stretch of L at RU, W at #19 MSU and L vs. #22 OSU at home)
#16 (after beating #24 Iowa to clinch in the Big Ten championship!)
#19 (after flaming out of the BTT in our first game)
#19 (final poll after NCAA Tournament)

2022-23
#23 (preseason ... not bad for losing all five starters!)
#19
#16 (post-Vegas)
#16
#17 (after losing at #22 Maryland)
#18 (after beating #2 Texas and then getting spanked by unranked Penn State)
#16
RV (post-Braggin' Rights blowout loss)
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV (down to only 2 votes)
NR
NR
NR
NR

2023-24
#25 (preseason)
#23
RV (after going 2-1 with the only loss to #4 Marquette...)
#24
#20 (post-Rutgers beatdown)
#16 (after beating #11 FAU but losing at #17 Tennessee)
#13
#11 (after some sweet revenge vs. Mizzou at Braggin' Rights)
#9
#10
#14 (after the Maryland loss at home)
#10
#14 (after splitting with Northwestern and Indiana)
#10
#14 (after the loss at MSU)
#12 (current ranking after beating Michigan and winning at Maryland)

A couple notes:
- You can call me an apologist all you'd like, but one thing is pretty clear ... it has taken a relatively "unusual" circumstance for Brad Underwood's Illini to not be a nationally relevant, top 25 team. In 2019-20, it understandably took us a while to earn that respect, so we were probably ranked a bit "late." In 2021-22, we got two early losses due to a weird suspension for Kofi, and it took us abnormally long to get back in the top 25 ... but we never left again. In 2022-23, we experimented with pretty much replacing our entire team and still managed to spend 35% of the season ranked and the vast majority of it at least receiving votes.
- On that last note, I had kind of forgotten how weird our 2022-23 season was. I was shocked how many weeks we went without becoming fully not ranked, but our win vs. #14 Wisconsin on January 7th kickstarted a 4-game winning streak and overall streak of winning 7 of 8 before losing a close one at Iowa. It really wasn't until we lost at Penn State on February 14th that it became clear that team could not rebound to be top 25, IMO.
- I think everyone in the fan base is a bit excited AND apprehensive about this year's team and March Madness. On one hand, this team seems to have a very high ceiling, and the opportunity REALLY does appear to be there to break this "First Weekend" narrative around the program and finally have the Illini under the bright lights of the Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight or beyond. On the other hand, with our team set to lose some serious talent in the offseason, it also feels like a "put up or shut up" moment, and that carries some real pressure. With all that said, though, we should really appreciate that while the Tournament is a crapshoot, our regular season success in the last 5 seasons is something we could have only dreamt of when Underwood walked into this mess!
 
#64      
skyIdub
The impact Ayo and Kofi (and BU obvs) have had on the trajectory of this program just can't be overstated. Monumental.

As has been said before, now imagine a classic NBA where Kofi is the #1 or #2 pick overall.

Even with a less than ideal finish this year, you only have to look at our recruiting and transfer success to see how this projects forward in a continuation of this success.

A good run to finish the year puts us in the Top 10 at the end of the season.

Here's to watching a CoHawk and TSJ...march...to the NBA first round. swidt
 
#65      
TheGMan
Fighter of the Nightman said:
Since Kofi stepped foot on campus, the consistency of this program except for a pretty novel rebuilding/reloading experiment last season has been pretty remarkable...

2019-20
RV (preseason)
NR (after losing 90-69 at #21 Arizona)
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
#24 (after winning at Wisconsin and vs. Rutgers)
#21
#19
#20
#22
RV (after losing at Rutgers for our 4th straight loss)
RV
#23 (after 4-game winning streak including at #9 Penn State)
#21 (after beating #18 Iowa and winning 5 of our last 6)

2020-21
#8 (preseason)
#5
#6
#13 (after winning at #10 Duke but losing at Mizzou)
#18 (after losing at #19 Rutgers)
#15
#12
#14 (after our patented letdown vs. a bad Maryland team)
#22 (after losing to #21 Ohio State at home)
#19
#12 (after beating #7 Iowa)
#6 (after winning at Indiana and vs. #19 Wisconsin)
#5
#5
#4 (after winning at #23 Wisconsin without Ayo)
#3 (after demolishing #2 Michigan without Ayo and winning at #7 Ohio State)
#2 (after winning the BTT)
#8 (final poll after NCAA Tournament)

2021-22
#11 (preseason)
#10
#14 (after the loss at Marquette without Kofi)
RV (after getting smoked by Cincinnati and beating Kansas State)
RV
RV
RV
RV (top RV vote getter)
RV (top RV vote getter)
#25 (after winning 7 of our last 8 games, with the only loss to #11 Arizona)
#17
#24 (after losses to #4 Purdue in double OT and at Maryland without Kofi)
#18 (after beating #10 Michigan State without Kofi and winning at Northwestern)
#13 (after beating #11 Wisconsin and winning 74-57 at Indiana)
#12
#15
#20 (after a strange stretch of L at RU, W at #19 MSU and L vs. #22 OSU at home)
#16 (after beating #24 Iowa to clinch in the Big Ten championship!)
#19 (after flaming out of the BTT in our first game)
#19 (final poll after NCAA Tournament)

2022-23
#23 (preseason ... not bad for losing all five starters!)
#19
#16 (post-Vegas)
#16
#17 (after losing at #22 Maryland)
#18 (after beating #2 Texas and then getting spanked by unranked Penn State)
#16
RV (post-Braggin' Rights blowout loss)
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV (down to only 2 votes)
NR
NR
NR
NR

2023-24
#25 (preseason)
#23
RV (after going 2-1 with the only loss to #4 Marquette...)
#24
#20 (post-Rutgers beatdown)
#16 (after beating #11 FAU but losing at #17 Tennessee)
#13
#11 (after some sweet revenge vs. Mizzou at Braggin' Rights)
#9
#10
#14 (after the Maryland loss at home)
#10
#14 (after splitting with Northwestern and Indiana)
#10
#14 (after the loss at MSU)
#12 (current ranking after beating Michigan and winning at Maryland)

A couple notes:
- You can call me an apologist all you'd like, but one thing is pretty clear ... it has taken a relatively "unusual" circumstance for Brad Underwood's Illini to not be a nationally relevant, top 25 team. In 2019-20, it understandably took us a while to earn that respect, so we were probably ranked a bit "late." In 2021-22, we got two early losses due to a weird suspension for Kofi, and it took us abnormally long to get back in the top 25 ... but we never left again. In 2022-23, we experimented with pretty much replacing our entire team and still managed to spend 35% of the season ranked and the vast majority of it at least receiving votes.
- On that last note, I had kind of forgotten how weird our 2022-23 season was. I was shocked how many weeks we went without becoming fully not ranked, but our win vs. #14 Wisconsin on January 7th kickstarted a 4-game winning streak and overall streak of winning 7 of 8 before losing a close one at Iowa. It really wasn't until we lost at Penn State on February 14th that it became clear that team could not rebound to be top 25, IMO.
- I think everyone in the fan base is a bit excited AND apprehensive about this year's team and March Madness. On one hand, this team seems to have a very high ceiling, and the opportunity REALLY does appear to be there to break this "First Weekend" narrative around the program and finally have the Illini under the bright lights of the Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight or beyond. On the other hand, with our team set to lose some serious talent in the offseason, it also feels like a "put up or shut up" moment, and that carries some real pressure. With all that said, though, we should really appreciate that while the Tournament is a crapshoot, our regular season success in the last 5 seasons is something we could have only dreamt of when Underwood walked into this mess!
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It took me longer than I'd care to admit to figure out what "RV" stood for.
 
#66      
Birdus
Fighter of the Nightman said:
Since Kofi stepped foot on campus, the consistency of this program except for a pretty novel rebuilding/reloading experiment last season has been pretty remarkable...

2019-20
RV (preseason)
NR (after losing 90-69 at #21 Arizona)
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
NR
#24 (after winning at Wisconsin and vs. Rutgers)
#21
#19
#20
#22
RV (after losing at Rutgers for our 4th straight loss)
RV
#23 (after 4-game winning streak including at #9 Penn State)
#21 (after beating #18 Iowa and winning 5 of our last 6)

2020-21
#8 (preseason)
#5
#6
#13 (after winning at #10 Duke but losing at Mizzou)
#18 (after losing at #19 Rutgers)
#15
#12
#14 (after our patented letdown vs. a bad Maryland team)
#22 (after losing to #21 Ohio State at home)
#19
#12 (after beating #7 Iowa)
#6 (after winning at Indiana and vs. #19 Wisconsin)
#5
#5
#4 (after winning at #23 Wisconsin without Ayo)
#3 (after demolishing #2 Michigan without Ayo and winning at #7 Ohio State)
#2 (after winning the BTT)
#8 (final poll after NCAA Tournament)

2021-22
#11 (preseason)
#10
#14 (after the loss at Marquette without Kofi)
RV (after getting smoked by Cincinnati and beating Kansas State)
RV
RV
RV
RV (top RV vote getter)
RV (top RV vote getter)
#25 (after winning 7 of our last 8 games, with the only loss to #11 Arizona)
#17
#24 (after losses to #4 Purdue in double OT and at Maryland without Kofi)
#18 (after beating #10 Michigan State without Kofi and winning at Northwestern)
#13 (after beating #11 Wisconsin and winning 74-57 at Indiana)
#12
#15
#20 (after a strange stretch of L at RU, W at #19 MSU and L vs. #22 OSU at home)
#16 (after beating #24 Iowa to clinch in the Big Ten championship!)
#19 (after flaming out of the BTT in our first game)
#19 (final poll after NCAA Tournament)

2022-23
#23 (preseason ... not bad for losing all five starters!)
#19
#16 (post-Vegas)
#16
#17 (after losing at #22 Maryland)
#18 (after beating #2 Texas and then getting spanked by unranked Penn State)
#16
RV (post-Braggin' Rights blowout loss)
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV
RV (down to only 2 votes)
NR
NR
NR
NR

2023-24
#25 (preseason)
#23
RV (after going 2-1 with the only loss to #4 Marquette...)
#24
#20 (post-Rutgers beatdown)
#16 (after beating #11 FAU but losing at #17 Tennessee)
#13
#11 (after some sweet revenge vs. Mizzou at Braggin' Rights)
#9
#10
#14 (after the Maryland loss at home)
#10
#14 (after splitting with Northwestern and Indiana)
#10
#14 (after the loss at MSU)
#12 (current ranking after beating Michigan and winning at Maryland)

A couple notes:
- You can call me an apologist all you'd like, but one thing is pretty clear ... it has taken a relatively "unusual" circumstance for Brad Underwood's Illini to not be a nationally relevant, top 25 team. In 2019-20, it understandably took us a while to earn that respect, so we were probably ranked a bit "late." In 2021-22, we got two early losses due to a weird suspension for Kofi, and it took us abnormally long to get back in the top 25 ... but we never left again. In 2022-23, we experimented with pretty much replacing our entire team and still managed to spend 35% of the season ranked and the vast majority of it at least receiving votes.
- On that last note, I had kind of forgotten how weird our 2022-23 season was. I was shocked how many weeks we went without becoming fully not ranked, but our win vs. #14 Wisconsin on January 7th kickstarted a 4-game winning streak and overall streak of winning 7 of 8 before losing a close one at Iowa. It really wasn't until we lost at Penn State on February 14th that it became clear that team could not rebound to be top 25, IMO.
- I think everyone in the fan base is a bit excited AND apprehensive about this year's team and March Madness. On one hand, this team seems to have a very high ceiling, and the opportunity REALLY does appear to be there to break this "First Weekend" narrative around the program and finally have the Illini under the bright lights of the Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight or beyond. On the other hand, with our team set to lose some serious talent in the offseason, it also feels like a "put up or shut up" moment, and that carries some real pressure. With all that said, though, we should really appreciate that while the Tournament is a crapshoot, our regular season success in the last 5 seasons is something we could have only dreamt of when Underwood walked into this mess!
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Great review! Mess is right. Since 2007 or so, everything before Underwood was not a crap shoot! It was crap! Great to have a relevant program again!
 
#67      
Fighter of the Nightman
skyIdub said:
The impact Ayo and Kofi (and BU obvs) have had on the trajectory of this program just can't be overstated. Monumental.

As has been said before, now imagine a classic NBA where Kofi is the #1 or #2 pick overall.

Even with a less than ideal finish this year, you only have to look at our recruiting and transfer success to see how this projects forward in a continuation of this success.

A good run to finish the year puts us in the Top 10 at the end of the season.

Here's to watching a CoHawk and TSJ...march...to the NBA first round. swidt
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Yeah, and I also want to be clear that when I say this is a "put up or shut up" NCAA Tournament for us, I am mostly referencing restless fans and just overall optimism. If Brad Underwood keeps having top 25 teams and making it back to the NCAA Tournament, we WILL break through and make a run. Period. Another poster laid this out even better one time, but consider that Underwood has been given THREE chances to play in the NCAA Tournament here. Coach K missed the Tournament his first three seasons and lost in the Second Round as a #3 seed the next two years. Sometimes it just takes time and the right matchups or whatever. Other great coaches like Izzo and Self have flamed out in the First or Second Rounds in much more spectacular fashion than even our 2021 loss to Loyola. The glass-half-full view is that maybe we got our bad luck out of the way? Haha.
 
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OB positive
Illini2010-11 said:
You are 100% entitled to your opinion; however, the only entity that matters in this is the Selection Committee, and based upon the metrics they use to assess quality of wins/losses, Maryland home loss and Michigan road loss are actually quite close to equal in terms of how bad the loss is. Period. I still would argue that a home loss where you are a double-digit favorite KenPom/Vegas/etc. is a worse loss than losing on the road as a single-digit favorite (even to the worst team in the B1G). Yes, Michigan is bad, but winning road games is tough in the B1G (just ask Purdue).

The trend of Wisconsin likely shows that they will continue to falter, but to this point on 2/20/24 (in the eyes of the Committee) the resumes for Wisconsin and Illini are very similar. Wisconsin has by far better wins but a couple more losses and slightly lower NET. That is why the Illini were one spot higher than Wisconsin on Saturday. As of today, the Illini are probably a few spots higher than Wisconsin, but not by a significant margin. The problem for the Illini is that the resume is very low on high-qualify Quad 1 wins.

Good news is that there are still opportunities for Illini to improve the resume and lock up a 3 seed.
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There's really no point of going over and over of how we think the seeding will go or how they will interpret all the information they may or may not use. No one is going to know anything for sure until selection Sunday. You can't say this is how it will go because of this win or that loss and as usual we will see they will have some seeding that makes no sense at all in how your net or ken/pom where supposed to be used. They screw it up every year somewhere.
 
#69      
Fighter of the Nightman
OB positive said:
There's really no point of going over and over of how we think the seeding will go or how they will interpret all the information they may or may not use. No one is going to know anything for sure until selection Sunday. You can't say this is how it will go because of this win or that loss and as usual we will see they will have some seeding that makes no sense at all in how your net or ken/pom where supposed to be used. They screw it up every year somewhere.
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I feel like it's also often forgotten that they literally have to follow some rules that have nothing to do with metrics or the quality of a resume. IIRC, you can't have any type of rematch (which obviously includes all Big Ten foes) until the Sweet Sixteen. I bet that "screws up" the bracket each year compared to the literal ranking of best resumes more than people would think.
 
#70      
Illini2010-11
Fighter of the Nightman said:
I feel like it's also often forgotten that they literally have to follow some rules that have nothing to do with metrics or the quality of a resume. IIRC, you can't have any type of rematch (which obviously includes all Big Ten foes) until the Sweet Sixteen. I bet that "screws up" the bracket each year compared to the literal ranking of best resumes more than people would think.
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The committee will still make their "literal" rankings for seeding perspective and then position in bracket to these other rules, as you mention. That is why, from a true rankings perspective Saturday, the Illini should have been in Purdue's region but got placed elsewhere.
 
#71      
aaeismacgychel
Fighter of the Nightman said:
I feel like it's also often forgotten that they literally have to follow some rules that have nothing to do with metrics or the quality of a resume. IIRC, you can't have any type of rematch (which obviously includes all Big Ten foes) until the Sweet Sixteen. I bet that "screws up" the bracket each year compared to the literal ranking of best resumes more than people would think.
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That is incorrect. While they would prefer no rematches until the Sweet 16, it isn't an uncommon occurrence to have a Round of 32 rematch. Top 4 seeds are protected but everyone else is fair game. I want to say this was a change instituted 5-10 years ago.
 
#72      
Fighter of the Nightman
aaeismacgychel said:
That is incorrect. While they would prefer no rematches until the Sweet 16, it isn't an uncommon occurrence to have a Round of 32 rematch. Top 4 seeds are protected but everyone else is fair game. I want to say this was a change instituted 5-10 years ago.
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Ah, good catch - thanks. I also thought that a top 4 seed is the cutoff for trying to be geographically protected, as well, but maybe that is a relic of the pre-NET era! None of the First/Second Round sites we could get are that enticing anyway if you consider the teams in front of us likely to nab them up (e.g., Purdue being in Indy).
 
#73      
Brosky
skyIdub said:
The impact Ayo and Kofi (and BU obvs) have had on the trajectory of this program just can't be overstated. Monumental.

As has been said before, now imagine a classic NBA where Kofi is the #1 or #2 pick overall.

Even with a less than ideal finish this year, you only have to look at our recruiting and transfer success to see how this projects forward in a continuation of this success.

A good run to finish the year puts us in the Top 10 at the end of the season.

Here's to watching a CoHawk and TSJ...march...to the NBA first round. swidt
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"A good run" includes 2 games against the Hawkeyes. I just hope Caitlin Clark isn't playing.
 
#74      
fatboyslim
Fighter of the Nightman said:
Ah, good catch - thanks. I also thought that a top 4 seed is the cutoff for trying to be geographically protected, as well, but maybe that is a relic of the pre-NET era! None of the First/Second Round sites we could get are that enticing anyway if you consider the teams in front of us likely to nab them up (e.g., Purdue being in Indy).
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They are. Teams on the 1 through 4 seed lines are protected geographically, meaning for example SDSU would be sent to one of two western sites for the tournament’s opening weekend. This year, they’re in Salt Lake City and Spokane, Wash., both of which offer advantages for the Aztecs.
 
#75      
IlliniMike_Aurora
Birdus said:
Baylor is very good and they are at home against Houston. It is more likely that Baylor loses at BYU on the road and beats Houston at home. My nephew is a Baylor addict and graduated from there. I have watched them off and on this year. They are much like us. If they are on, they can beat anyone. They will be at home so I will go with Baylor in that one.
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i see your logic, and its possible - just think houston has it going right now .
 
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