Illini Football 2024

#29      
You’re just a ray of sunshine, lol. Plenty of negativity in basketball season but suspiciously nothing as we won a BTT championship and made an Elite Eight? But back to drag us all back down in time for football, haha … because you’re so “realistic” or something. 🤦🏼‍♂️
My favorite is that TJ was a liability
 
#30      

mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
For comparison’s sake, when I was a college sophomore, some buddies and I went down to the quad late one night. The Champaign Police had one of those radar speed signs set up on Wright Street right next to Lincoln Hall. We took turns running past the sign.

I’m 100% positive I hit 20mph and may have flashed 21mph, but not sure. And no… it wasn’t picking up a car driving behind me.


 
#31      
4-8 at best.
Kinda interesting how...

This is your first comment since the PSU game in February and literally not a peep about anything that happened after - an elite eight, BTT championship, one of the greatest runs in school history...

and the fact that out of your 13 comments on this board, quite literally there might not be a single one that's not of pure silliness...

Sarcastic Humor GIF by CBS
 
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#32      
This sucks. Stop scheduling non-conference losses.
Does Josh have any knowledge of the 60-year history of our ridiculous non-conference scheduling in football? Have any of our insiders tried to fill him in? You can start with our love affair with the Pac-8/10/12 that stopped Bob Blackman from ever achieving a winning season. Was is it about West Coast teams and Illini ADs? Are we trying it impress some West Coast alums at the expense of a winning season? Or is it the allure of an all-expense paid trip to Cali for a bunch of administrators?
 
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#33      
Perspective on the numbers presented to spark a panic here: Kelley Ford is a 2015 graduate of Purdue (B.S. Mechanical Engineering) now working as a media sports analyst. He massages other peoples’ ratings to derive a ”probability of winning”, reported to the nearest percentage point, creating an illusion of significance. Sounds like he builds models whose inputs are other modelers’ outputs (e.g. power ratings and resume rankings). GIGO. Anybody can build models. Apparently he’s a personable media guy but how have his predictions played out in hindsight?
”Kelley Ford stands as a notable authority within the sports content community, particularly in the realms of college football and basketball. Ford's analytic approach to sports, leveraging power ratings and resume rankings, cements his status as a go-to source for insightful sports analysis. His deep understanding of prediction markets and his ability to dissect game strategies give him a distinctive voice in sports journalism.”
 
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SampsonRelpenk

Edwardsville, IL
We are just so overdue for a fluke, overachieving season. You could argue that 2001 is the only such campaign we've had in the last 30+ years (lots of talent on that team sure, but the conference was DOWN that year and we won a bunch of close games).
 
#37      
Perspective on the numbers presented to spark a panic here: Kelley Ford is a 2015 graduate of Purdue (B.S. Mechanical Engineering) now working as a media sports analyst. He massages other peoples’ ratings to derive a ”probability of winning”, reported to the nearest percentage point, creating an illusion of significance. Sounds like he builds models whose inputs are other modelers’ outputs (e.g. power ratings and resume rankings). GIGO. Anybody can build models. Apparently he’s a personable media guy but how have his predictions played out in hindsight?
”Kelley Ford stands as a notable authority within the sports content community, particularly in the realms of college football and basketball. Ford's analytic approach to sports, leveraging power ratings and resume rankings, cements his status as a go-to source for insightful sports analysis. His deep understanding of prediction markets and his ability to dissect game strategies give him a distinctive voice in sports journalism.”
You're right. KFord is not always spot on. For example, last year his model predicted 6 wins for us with a 50% probability of 7 wins. What's so bad about determining the average of a number of experts that are all predicting using a variety of models? I don't get what's so bad about that. It's easy to hate on everyone that doesn't tell you your team is going to win 7 or more games.

On the positive side, if our OL can be respectable this year, and we stay reasonably healthy, I think our offense can be much better than ALL of the predictions I've seen so far and we'll be very entertaining to watch this year. It's been a while since I've felt so good about our collective stable of QB's and RB's, and maybe even receivers.
 
#38      
You're right. KFord is not always spot on. For example, last year his model predicted 6 wins for us with a 50% probability of 7 wins. What's so bad about determining the average of a number of experts that are all predicting using a variety of models? I don't get what's so bad about that. It's easy to hate on everyone that doesn't tell you your team is going to win 7 or more games.

On the positive side, if our OL can be respectable this year, and we stay reasonably healthy, I think our offense can be much better than ALL of the predictions I've seen so far and we'll be very entertaining to watch this year. It's been a while since I've felt so good about our collective stable of QB's and RB's, and maybe even receivers.
Not hating on him. He seems like a nice guy. I’m just skeptical of attempts to predict the unpredictable, especially w/ probabilities presented to the nearest percentage point, implying an impossible degree of significance. That’s a red flag statistically. And modeling other models (as well as subjective opinions) as inputs seems likely to propagate and magnify errors. It’s not like meta analysis of real data. It’s opinion, framed as science, not something to be either greatly encouraged nor discouraged about. There’s a reason we play the games.
 
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illinifan4249

Space Coast, FL
He is modelling the defense to go from 58 to 41 but the offense to regress from 80 to 87. I think the defense taking a projected step forward is expected but we need the offense to take a big step up in order to reach 6 wins. I do believe however that this offense can be in the top half of the B1G by season's end if things go as we hope.

Overall I expect that once again we are most likely 5-6 going into the Northwestern game. I honestly wish that game wasn't the last of the season, I prefer when more of the rivalries are spread out across the season.
 
#42      
Not hating on him. He seems like a nice guy. I’m just skeptical of attempts to predict the unpredictable, especially w/ probabilities presented to the nearest percentage point, implying an impossible degree of significance. That’s a red flag statistically. And modeling other models (as well as subjective opinions) as inputs seems likely to propagate and magnify errors. It’s not like meta analysis of real data. It’s opinion, framed as science, not something to be either greatly encouraged nor discouraged about. There’s a reason we play the games.
Exactly. I think the term is spurious precision, especially for what is constructed from what are multiple educated guesses.
 
#43      
Perspective on the numbers presented to spark a panic here: Kelley Ford is a 2015 graduate of Purdue (B.S. Mechanical Engineering) now working as a media sports analyst. He massages other peoples’ ratings to derive a ”probability of winning”, reported to the nearest percentage point, creating an illusion of significance. Sounds like he builds models whose inputs are other modelers’ outputs (e.g. power ratings and resume rankings). GIGO. Anybody can build models. Apparently he’s a personable media guy but how have his predictions played out in hindsight?
”Kelley Ford stands as a notable authority within the sports content community, particularly in the realms of college football and basketball. Ford's analytic approach to sports, leveraging power ratings and resume rankings, cements his status as a go-to source for insightful sports analysis. His deep understanding of prediction markets and his ability to dissect game strategies give him a distinctive voice in sports journalism.”
Sounds like quite the sports authority whose status as such is cemented. Lots of buzzwords to back it up too. Don’t question it.

Wonder what is meant by ‘his ability to dissect game strategies’, and how he acquired that knowledge. I’ll bet it’s along the lines of ‘if the offense can score three touchdowns and 2 field goals, they’ll have more points than if they scored 2 touchdowns and 3 field goals’.

Deep statistical analysis and analytic nerds in general need to stick to baseball, where that can work b/c of how many games they play, and is largely a 1 on 1 contest b/w pitcher and batter. Too many uncontrollable variables in football with 1/10 the games. Most ‘trends’ or ‘datapoints’ presented really can’t be used to predict the future, so they’re useless. That’s my mini rant against ‘analysts’ for today. Go illini, my analysis is a competitive team that’ll make a bowl and upset the wolverines.
 
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#44      
Does Josh have any knowledge of the 60-year history of our ridiculous non-conference scheduling in football? Have any of our insiders tried to fill him in? You can start with our love affair with the Pac-8/10/12 that stopped Bob Blackman from ever achieving a winning season. Was is it about West Coast teams and Illini ADs? Are we trying it impress some West Coast alums at the expense of a winning season? Or is it the allure of an all-expense paid trip to Cali for a bunch of administrators?
I seem to recall a time (back in the 70s?) where when fans were surveyed, one of the biggest reasons for lack of attending football games was that we played a crappy non conference schedule. If my recollection is true, it probably played a part in our scheduling plan for any number of years. Does anyone else remember this? Loren Tate would surely know.
 
#45      
Exactly. I think the term is spurious precision, especially for what is constructed from what are multiple educated guesses.
For those like me who didn't know.
Spurious correlation refers to a situation in machine learning where a feature and the model prediction appear to be statistically correlated, but their relationship is coincidental or caused by some external factor rather than a genuine causal or meaningful connection.
 
#46      

Shief

Champaign Area
I seem to recall a time (back in the 70s?) where when fans were surveyed, one of the biggest reasons for lack of attending football games was that we played a crappy non conference schedule. If my recollection is true, it probably played a part in our scheduling plan for any number of years. Does anyone else remember this? Loren Tate would surely know.
One of the Fan Council's discussions was a desire to schedule good, regional schools in football and basketball. That is probably a contributing reason why we will be playing Mizzou from 2026-2029 and 2032-2035.
 
#47      
One of the Fan Council's discussions was a desire to schedule good, regional schools in football and basketball. That is probably a contributing reason why we will be playing Mizzou from 2026-2029 and 2032-2035.
Yes, but did they ask the fan council if losing to good regional schools every year was a good idea. That is why this argument does not hold merit to me.
But I really appreciate you posting this as it’s very informative.
 
#48      

redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
That may have been a previous Fan Council feedback, but at the Fan Council meeting this past winter, Josh said something along the lines of their understanding the need to schedule non-con matchups in light of the ever increasing difficulty of the B1G schedule. So to me it signaled that they know that to regularly get to 6 wins they need 3 non-Power 5/4 opponents. I sincerely hope that means that they plan to cancel the Mizzou series. But at the least it appears that they know a change of scheduling philosophy is needed. While playing Texas State or Charleston Southern may not get the juices flowing, the fans should realize that there will be plenty of big name programs coming to town every season, including generally one of USC/UCLA/Washington/Oregon and one of Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State/Wisconsin. That, and the opportunity to hopefully go to a warm weather bowl every year, should offset the boringness of (hopefully) easy wins.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
He is modelling the defense to go from 58 to 41 but the offense to regress from 80 to 87. I think the defense taking a projected step forward is expected but we need the offense to take a big step up in order to reach 6 wins. I do believe however that this offense can be in the top half of the B1G by season's end if things go as we hope.

Overall I expect that once again we are most likely 5-6 going into the Northwestern game. I honestly wish that game wasn't the last of the season, I prefer when more of the rivalries are spread out across the season.

For those wanting to zag the advanced modeling - here it is. All of them are expecting the defense to improve and the offense to regress. This is based on recent history, where Illinois offense has been pedestrian and defense has been the strength. The modeling expects those blips to course correct (and roughly equal out). When focusing on the personnel and coaching, it seems obvious that it's much more likely the offense takes a step (or two!) forward while the defense is a question mark at best (likely worse). The hope is the defense will hold but the offense improves to around top 6 in conference.
 
#50      
There are options other than top 25 teams and bottom 25 teams. We should be able to schedule an opponent who will draw crowds but we still have a 75% probability of beating. Our problem is that every time we schedule a team like that 5 years out, that's a sure sign they're going to vault into the top 25 over the next 5 years (see NC and KS).
 
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