Illini Basketball 2024-2025

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21ChampaignSt

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Baddy Brad? said:
Is it unreasonable to think BU could utilize a hockey shift? Would that not be the best way to approach the season with arguably the best depth in the league? Maximum effort for short durations...

Team 1: Boswell, Riley, White, Booth, Ivisic
Team 2: Kasparas, DGL, Humrichous, Rodgers, Morez

Understand that my ideal starting group isn't just team 1. I would want an even distribution of skill on both teams for continuity.

BTW, not that high on Jake Davis. Maybe I'll be surprised but I don't see him getting on the court.
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The problem with the hockey shift is you either never have your best 5 players on the floor together as in your example above or you're taking all 5 of your best players out of the game at the same time which also isn't ideal.

IMO, it's kind of a gimmick saved for very specific situations.

It is exciting that we will have starter caliber players coming off the bench though.
 
#127      

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I just watched Mike LaTulip on the Illinois Inquirer podcast with Werner and ML was, um, I can't find the right word, but he really likes White to the extent that, although he may not have actually said it, he implied that White would start over BH. And since I am easily influenced I am going with that. I'm a LaTulip fan. And tulips in general.
Boswell, Riley, Rodgers/KJ, White, Ivisic
I think Rodgers may start at the beginning of the season but KJ will start mid-season. I am on the fence as to which of those two will start. Also, Johnson might replace Ivisic also later, like mid-season. Though I think they will get approximately equal minutes all season.
At least until I am easily influenced by someone else.
 
#128      

ChiefGritty

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Chicago, IL
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Guest said:
I just watched Mike LaTulip on the Illinois Inquirer podcast with Werner and ML was, um, I can't find the right word, but he really likes White to the extent that, although he may not have actually said it, he implied that White would start over BH. And since I am easily influenced I am going with that. I'm a LaTulip fan. And tulips in general.
Boswell, Riley, Rodgers/KJ, White, Ivisic
I think Rodgers may start at the beginning of the season but KJ will start mid-season. I am on the fence as to which of those two will start. Also, Johnson might replace Ivisic also later, like mid-season. Though I think they will get approximately equal minutes all season.
At least until I am easily influenced by someone else.
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Champagne problems in Champaign
 
#129      

Illini in Italy

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ChiefGritty said:
Champagne problems in Champaign
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#134      

EyeoftheIllini

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PasadenaIllini said:
Purdue may not have our raw talent, but they have a lot of veteran players who have multiple years of experience playing together, including on the big stage of the Final Four. I think Purdue have to be considered as favorites over us until we prove otherwise. Hopefully the underdog role will motivate our guys.
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Yeah but experience doesn’t matter unless it is the Illini that has it. 😁.
 
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Baddy Brad?

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Where am I wrong? 90.5 PPG is not very realistic.
 

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#137      

mysterio2525

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We should do an official scoring/metric prediction thread before the season and then review at the end of the year/off-season.

Would love to see how last year's preseason predictions looked after the season for minutes, scoring, etc.
 
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RockfordIllini

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Baddy Brad? said:
Where am I wrong? 90.5 PPG is not very realistic.
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Bump Ty down to 7. DGL to 2.5. KJ to 10. Morez to 6. Booth to 4 Gets you to 77.5.
You’ve got our bench scoring at over 30 PPG depending on who ultimately starts. Even on a deep team usually the top 4-5 scorers account for the lions share of the points. If we get 20 ppg from our bench this year I will be ecstatic.
 
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Baddy Brad?

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RockfordIllini said:
Bump Ty down to 7. DGL to 2.5. KJ to 10. Morez to 6. Booth to 4 Gets you to 77.5.
You’ve got our bench scoring at over 30 PPG depending on who ultimately starts. Even on a deep team usually the top 4-5 scorers account for the lions share of the points. If we get 20 ppg from our bench this year I will be ecstatic.
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Ty averaged 6.2 last year. You think it's unreasonable to expect more touches? DGL averages the same?

Here is a tangent.... Morez is supposedly a monster rebounder. If he sees the court 20+ min a game, I find it really hard to believe he won't have at least 2 putbacks a game (4 pts), 2 buckets of his own creation (4 pts), and maybe a FT here and there (2ish points). Am I overestimating him?

I'll buy the booth at 4 ppg... It's just hard wrapping my mind around him transferring from ND with a defined role (where he averaged 6.4, 4.3) to supposedly sit the bench.

Not trying to be abrasive at all, I guess the point of everything I'm saying is.... this team is REALLY good.


There were times last year where our core group wasn't in, and we would go on scoring droughts of 5 min +. I know I'm viewing this through orange and blue lenses, but my hot take is this could be a top offense in the country next year. Defense... idk. The size on this roster has constant opportunity for 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance opportunities at the basket. JMHO
 
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Baddy Brad?

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NarrowJ said:
Take Rogers & Booth down a couple, swap White & Humrichous. Morez isn't going to score a ton, take him down 2.5 and Ivisic down 1. That gives us 83. Also guys will miss games so factor that in to averages as well.
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Don't you think there is a lot more congestion at the guard position? The way I understand things, Tre is competing against Riley and Kasparas for minutes, correct? Do we think Humrichous isn't going to see big minutes at the 4? He is 6'9" that stretches the floor.

All the love to Ty, but I think BU has a pretty clear vision (see Coleman Hawkings, Quincy). I think if anyone competes with Ben, wouldn't it be Carey Booth? A 6'10" athletic PF that stretches the floor?
 
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NarrowJ

NarrowJ
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Baddy Brad? said:
Don't you think there is a lot more congestion at the guard position? The way I understand things, Tre is competing against Riley and Kasparas for minutes, correct? Do we think Humrichous isn't going to see big minutes at the 4? He is 6'9" that stretches the floor.

All the love to Ty, but I think BU has a pretty clear vision (see Coleman Hawkings, Quincy). I think if anyone competes with Ben, wouldn't it be Carey Booth? A 6'10" athletic PF that stretches the floor?
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Kasparas is a 1/2 and Tre is a 3 who could also play at the 4 in some lineups imo. Correct on Ben/Booth, which is why I knocked both of them down a couple points as I feel they'll be sharing minutes at the same position, primarily.
 
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blackdog

blackdog
Champaign
blackdog
Baddy Brad? said:
Ty averaged 6.2 last year. You think it's unreasonable to expect more touches? DGL averages the same?

Here is a tangent.... Morez is supposedly a monster rebounder. If he sees the court 20+ min a game, I find it really hard to believe he won't have at least 2 putbacks a game (4 pts), 2 buckets of his own creation (4 pts), and maybe a FT here and there (2ish points). Am I overestimating him?

I'll buy the booth at 4 ppg... It's just hard wrapping my mind around him transferring from ND with a defined role (where he averaged 6.4, 4.3) to supposedly sit the bench.

Not trying to be abrasive at all, I guess the point of everything I'm saying is.... this team is REALLY good.


There were times last year where our core group wasn't in, and we would go on scoring droughts of 5 min +. I know I'm viewing this through orange and blue lenses, but my hot take is this could be a top offense in the country next year. Defense... idk. The size on this roster has constant opportunity for 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance opportunities at the basket. JMHO
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Yes a lot of overestimation for Morez. To put things in perspective Ty was the team's leading offensive rebounder last year with 2.2 per game and then Quincy with 1.7. Most of those offensive rebounds are not going to turn into put backs, MAYBE 1 a game but even that is pushing it. Morez is also pretty unlikely to be getting a lot of opportunities to create for himself. With the FTS we shot a pretty decent amount of them but there were only 4 players on the entire team who averaged over 2 FTAs a game (TSJ, Marcus, Quincy, and Coleman).

Its not hard to imagine he will have some games that look like that but the averages are most likely going to be lower than that unless he really takes the reign and plays himself into a bigger role.
 
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blackdog

blackdog
Champaign
blackdog
combes said:
Humrichous is likely to lead the team in scoring. If he doesn’t, he’s still right at the top.
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I'm not going to promise to eat my shorts or anything but if he is healthy and averages less than double digits I'm going to be very surprised.
 
#150      

Toews

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Ty I think is in some ways underrated by our fanbase because we have seen the games he just can't play in. There are certain matchups he was unplayable last year. Even with that, he was third on the team in raw plus minus, third on the team in Box plus minus, and third on the team in regular adjusted plus minus. Basically the team was a lot better with him on the floor. I'm sure Brad knows that, which is why he got a lot of minutes last season and I expect the same this season.