Conference Realignment, Naming Rights, Financing

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Greensboro
Mr. Tibbs said:
I have no idea what their timeline is , but numerous writers / podcasters have indicated discussions of some type are underway .
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My guess is this is more due diligence at this point. With Clemson/FSU ACC lawsuits ongoing at this point they should be preparing for the what-if the ACC falls apart.
Mr. Tibbs said:
I think the day is coming soon when the B1G will go to a 12 game conference schedule . it makes no sense to have a 18-20 member league otherwise . Premium games is what the networks are paying for - not 3 weeks of 90% of the games to be against MAC & Mt West teams .

there is a price to pay for those annual payouts
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The other option that I think is more likely is to stagger the non conference games so they aren't all the first few weeks, if you can start enough conference games week1 to fill the tier 1 spots, it is less of an issue to throw the mid major games at the bottom of the BTN or Peacock. 12 conference games is going to kill the bottom half teams & long term probably has some downside.
 
#177      
Illini IndyCar Fan
Greensboro said:
My guess is this is more due diligence at this point. With Clemson/FSU ACC lawsuits ongoing at this point they should be preparing for the what-if the ACC falls apart.

The other option that I think is more likely is to stagger the non conference games so they aren't all the first few weeks, if you can start enough conference games week1 to fill the tier 1 spots, it is less of an issue to throw the mid major games at the bottom of the BTN or Peacock. 12 conference games is going to kill the bottom half teams & long term probably has some downside.
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Didn't even think of that. Since premier OOC matchups will quickly be falling out of favor, wonder why the networks aren't pushing for Tier 1 in-conference game inventory for Wk0, Wk1, and Wk3 and push the OOC games to bad ratings weeks like non-Thanksgiving holidays.
 
#179      
bdutts
illiniE said:
Do they all wear a class ring or is that just a few I met? Our A&M fans mostly grads, while people who did not attend are mostly UT fans?
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A vast majority of them wear class rings, yes. Not sure it's 100% but it's close. I'd say most of the A&M fans I met are grads. The few UT fans I met are also grads so hard to say about that. Houston is 90 minutes from College Station and 3 hours from Austin, so A&M gets way more coverage in the sports reporting. Of course, there is Rice U and U of Houston (and a few smaller schools in Houston as well) and those get a good amount (UofH more than Rice) of coverage. Seems like A&M dominates football season, regardless of how good UofH is. UofH dominates basketball season regardless of how good A&M is in hoops but both would take a back seat to Houston Rockets if they become good.
 
#180      
Greensboro
Illini IndyCar Fan said:
Didn't even think of that. Since premier OOC matchups will quickly be falling out of favor, wonder why the networks aren't pushing for Tier 1 in-conference game inventory for Wk0, Wk1, and Wk3 and push the OOC games to bad ratings weeks like non-Thanksgiving holidays.
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I'm not sure premier OOC will be out of favor, I just think the MAC level games will be less & likely spread out so the networks have enough high level games to cover Tier 1 spots. With more networks in play & more prime TV spots to fill, I think we may get away with a few OOC patsies if the conference can spread them out & keep them on lower tier streaming.

The network politics with the SEC may get interesting between the SEC & B1G. If tOSU & Alabama wanted to play a home & home will the B1Gs TV partners want to compete with ESPN when OSU has to play at Alabama. (or substitute the B1G school of your choice for SEC school of choice). I don't know, but having one of your premier B1G teams against a couple of our media partner's b1G games or vice versa for the SEC/ESPN might cause some hesitation.
 
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#181      
Shief
I decided to make a list and rank the schools that have been discussed as potential B1G expansion candidates and also those within our general sphere. Ranking the teams into groups based upon revenue (priority) and cultural fit, the B1G may want to explore teams in a similar pattern to the list below:
1. Notre Dame - obviously
2. Texas A&M - if they want to leave SEC, new state, in AAU
3. Florida State - new state, strong athletic programs, looking to join AAU
4. North Carolina - new state, strong athletic programs, in AAU
5. Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia - new states, some strong programs, in AAU - Missouri likely staying in SEC
6. NC State, Utah, Virginia Tech - new states, some strong programs, Utah in AAU but others have good academics
7. Stanford - adds rival for SC/ND in N. Cal, great Olympic sports, in AAU, probably small revenue loss
8. Cal, Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Iowa State - some new states, some strong programs, some in AAU but probably a small revenue loss

What are your thoughts? If B1G goes to 20x or 24x teams, we will see where things go but ND, Texas A&M (if leaving SEC), FSU, UNC, and so on should be reviewed.

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#184      
Mr. Tibbs
Shief said:
I decided to make a list and rank the schools that have been discussed as potential B1G expansion candidates and also those within our general sphere. Ranking the teams into groups based upon revenue (priority) and cultural fit, the B1G may want to explore teams in a similar pattern to the list below:
1. Notre Dame - obviously
2. Texas A&M - if they want to leave SEC, new state, in AAU
3. Florida State - new state, strong athletic programs, looking to join AAU
4. North Carolina - new state, strong athletic programs, in AAU
5. Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia - new states, some strong programs, in AAU - Missouri likely staying in SEC
6. NC State, Utah, Virginia Tech - new states, some strong programs, Utah in AAU but others have good academics
7. Stanford - adds rival for SC/ND in N. Cal, great Olympic sports, in AAU, probably small revenue loss
8. Cal, Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Iowa State - some new states, some strong programs, some in AAU but probably a small revenue loss

What are your thoughts? If B1G goes to 20x or 24x teams, we will see where things go but ND, Texas A&M (if leaving SEC), FSU, UNC, and so on should be reviewed.

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i just don’t see any school after UNC at #4 adding value to the B1G at this point .
 
#185      
poor dirt farmer
Old.Edgy said:
I certainly hope their pain grows and grows and grows... I hope it never stops....
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You all know more about this stuff than I ever will. I just wish Big Ten schools would not schedule them in anything. If they don't want to join the conference let them play Southern Indiana and Eastern illinois a bunch of times in all these non revenue sports why help their scheduling? It wouldn't hurt us near as much as it would hurt them.
 
#186      
AZILL
Mr. Tibbs said:
i just don’t see any school after UNC at #4 adding value to the B1G at this point .
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I'm not even sure UNC adds value.... but I get we need that 4th school for scheduling purposes should we go that far. I'd even go so far as to say it's a tossup between UVA and UNC....
 
#187      
Shief
Mr. Tibbs said:
i just don’t see any school after UNC at #4 adding value to the B1G at this point .
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@Mr. Tibbs, you are probably right. ND, Texas A&M, FSU, and UNC are the potential schools that move the revenue needle, with others being a wash or splitting the pie thinner.

I'd like to see what the powers that be think. Maybe they see an upside in Virginia, Virginia Tech, Colorado, Kansas, NC State, etc. that I am not aware of.
 
#188      
Mr. Roberts
Shief said:
I decided to make a list and rank the schools that have been discussed as potential B1G expansion candidates and also those within our general sphere. Ranking the teams into groups based upon revenue (priority) and cultural fit, the B1G may want to explore teams in a similar pattern to the list below:
1. Notre Dame - obviously
2. Texas A&M - if they want to leave SEC, new state, in AAU
3. Florida State - new state, strong athletic programs, looking to join AAU
4. North Carolina - new state, strong athletic programs, in AAU
5. Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia - new states, some strong programs, in AAU - Missouri likely staying in SEC
6. NC State, Utah, Virginia Tech - new states, some strong programs, Utah in AAU but others have good academics
7. Stanford - adds rival for SC/ND in N. Cal, great Olympic sports, in AAU, probably small revenue loss
8. Cal, Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Iowa State - some new states, some strong programs, some in AAU but probably a small revenue loss

What are your thoughts? If B1G goes to 20x or 24x teams, we will see where things go but ND, Texas A&M (if leaving SEC), FSU, UNC, and so on should be reviewed.

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Wait ... Arizona State has a hockey program?!?
 
#189      
AZILL
Mr. Roberts said:
Wait ... Arizona State has a hockey program?!?
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A good one! Been around a long while. I was surprised that it drew as well as it did. I guess it was a place to go to escape the heat for some fans, lol. Youth hockey leagues in the Phoenix metro area actually are quite large.
 
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#191      
Serious Late
I've stopped trying to guess what will happen, and have started dreaming of what I want to happen.

Add two teams in the eastern portion of the United States... Feasible.

Move to 10 game conference schedule... reasonable.

Create four, 5-team divisions centered around geography... conference will most assuredly screw this part up, but we push on:

West
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Nebraska

Western Central
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Northwestern
ILLINOIS

Eastern Central
Michigan State
Michigan
Indiana
Purdue
Ohio State

Eastern
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
North Carolina
Florida State

Play everyone in your division once per year, along with an out of division rival (for us, Purdue). Then rotate the other 3 divisions in some mix matchy way each year for your other half of the conference schedule... makes sense, once every 3 years a home and away with Purdue perhaps?

Give me a 2 round conference championship game featuring only the 4 division winners, please... okay, complete pipe dream, OSU and Michigan would raise a fit.

That's Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Purdue on the schedule every year, reasonably close, original Big Ten schools. Oh, and just for the historical legacy, the Western Central and Eastern Central ARE the true Big Ten. 😎

All in all, return to normalcy while embracing the future. Zero shot it happens. 😆
 
#192      
lstewart53x3
Serious Late said:
I've stopped trying to guess what will happen, and have started dreaming of what I want to happen.

Add two teams in the eastern portion of the United States... Feasible.

Move to 10 game conference schedule... reasonable.

Create four, 5-team divisions centered around geography... conference will most assuredly screw this part up, but we push on:

West
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Nebraska

Western Central
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Northwestern
ILLINOIS

Eastern Central
Michigan State
Michigan
Indiana
Purdue
Ohio State

Eastern
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
North Carolina
Florida State

Play everyone in your division once per year, along with an out of division rival (for us, Purdue). Then rotate the other 3 divisions in some mix matchy way each year for your other half of the conference schedule... makes sense, once every 3 years a home and away with Purdue perhaps?

Give me a 2 round conference championship game featuring only the 4 division winners, please... okay, complete pipe dream, OSU and Michigan would raise a fit.

That's Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Purdue on the schedule every year, reasonably close, original Big Ten schools. Oh, and just for the historical legacy, the Western Central and Eastern Central ARE the true Big Ten. 😎

All in all, return to normalcy while embracing the future. Zero shot it happens. 😆
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With 20 teams, I could also see 2 divisions. 10 games, play everyone in your division once + every team has a designated rivalry against a team in the other division. Division champs meet in the conference championship game.
 
#195      
robertgoulet
A&M, FSU and ND are all no-brainers. I find it hard to believe the weirdos at A&M would want to leave the SEC, BUT (and it's a big BUT) they haaaaaaaate that UT followed them to SEC. The reason they left the Big 12 is bc they wanted out from under UT's shadow. If the money is the same in the B1G I can see them doing it again.
 
#198      
Mr. Tibbs
the things is, no one knows what the answer is . its out of control and is not sustainable.

GaTech gets a OLineman to commit after promising him $800,000 per. How is that going to work in the locker room?
 
#199      
spotter
Mr. Tibbs said:
the things is, no one knows what the answer is . its out of control and is not sustainable.

GaTech gets a OLineman to commit after promising him $800,000 per. How is that going to work in the locker room?
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For another starter who gets $700 to sign autographs on a one-off Sunday afternoon at the local car wash and gets a free pork chop sandwich out of it, I imagine it could engender some envy and resentment.
 
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