Chicago Bears 2024

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ChiefGritty
Mr. Tibbs said:
so far this year , Williams is
Trubiskey 2.0

nothing like he was talked up to be
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
We're at just past 3.5 games into Caleb's career. WAY too soon to say that he's Trubisky or even Fields at this point.
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A lot of truth in both of these I think.

In the regular season so far there has been a total inability to deliver the kind of highlight reel down the field plays that made him the number one pick. Quite a few attempts, mostly horrifically bad misses.

There are mega bust warning lights flashing, that's just reality versus his college proficiency. Successful NFL starters don't miss throws and he's been missing a ton.

AT THE SAME TIME, he was very clearly being asked to do too much and was being sped up by the complexity of the demands on him, and that part of it is totally understandable and Shane Waldron's fault. He's been placed into out-of-rhythm scenarios.

A much, much better gameplan from Waldron today. It's a bad defense at home, you don't want to overstate it, but he simplified the game for Caleb and asked him to be a steady rookie QB, and that was within Caleb's capabilities, he delivered.

If he can't take the top off the defense at the NFL level this is a doomed story, but that doesn't mean the normal rookie evolution doesn't need to happen bit by bit in the meantime.
 
#131      
Second place is 1st loser
Roundball Sage said:
Reports on the web have this gem: “Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Justin Fields prefers his new coaching staff over the Chicago Bears' staff... Fields was asked to choose between the coaches on his current and former team."

"Pittsburgh," Fields said. "It's not close."

Maybe its not so much the Bear's guy behind the center but the guys who are yelling at him from the sidelines. Bears' franchise has been toxic for QBs for a LONG time. And Fields seems to be responding to better coaching these days.
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That said, he also had his classic Fields moments today. He took 4 sacks because he couldn't go through his progressions and, of course, he fumbled twice.

That's what he'd do with us. He'd look like a world beater for 3.5 quarters, then the collapse.
 
#132      
Mr. Tibbs
williams still has plenty of time to show his talents

I simply stated that through 4 games , he’s nothing special .

Stroud , even Purdy, showed way more in their first 4 games

and yea , Bears coaching is terrible
 
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#133      
Roundball Sage
Mr. Tibbs said:
williams still has plenty of time to show his talents

I simply stated that through 4 games , he’s nothing special .

Stroud , even Purdy, showed way more in their first 4 games

and yea , Bears coaching is terrible
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I think Williams will be fine. He seems to have the mental/leadership makeup and some SoCal swagger to take on the Bears legacy and turn that around.
 
#134      
Mr. Tibbs
Second place is 1st loser said:
He's played 4 NFL games. Are you kidding me with that assessment? I'm guessing you would have wanted Peyton Manning released after his rookie season. Good God, let the year play out.
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I’m pretty clear in my comment

4 games in - nothing special

we have him for 3 years . he’s got a lot of time to prove himself

let’s hope it starts soon .
 
#135      
Illiniaaron
ChiefGritty said:
A lot of truth in both of these I think.

In the regular season so far there has been a total inability to deliver the kind of highlight reel down the field plays that made him the number one pick. Quite a few attempts, mostly horrifically bad misses.

There are mega bust warning lights flashing, that's just reality versus his college proficiency. Successful NFL starters don't miss throws and he's been missing a ton.

AT THE SAME TIME, he was very clearly being asked to do too much and was being sped up by the complexity of the demands on him, and that part of it is totally understandable and Shane Waldron's fault. He's been placed into out-of-rhythm scenarios.

A much, much better gameplan from Waldron today. It's a bad defense at home, you don't want to overstate it, but he simplified the game for Caleb and asked him to be a steady rookie QB, and that was within Caleb's capabilities, he delivered.

If he can't take the top off the defense at the NFL level this is a doomed story, but that doesn't mean the normal rookie evolution doesn't need to happen bit by bit in the meantime.
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I might be overly critical of Williams here, but I thought there were about three throws toward the end zone where receivers were “NFL open” where he overthrew badly. Those are the throws he is consistently missing on. He has to get better with that but he has plenty of time.
 
#137      
champaignchris
While Williams has certainly not lit the world on fire, he’s also clearly gotten better with each start. It may be baby steps, but he’s a rookie. Baby steps are allowed.

I’ll also reiterate that the expectations placed on Williams’ performance this year by the media were beyond ridiculous. They set him up such that anything short of a top 5 all time rookie performance and a winning season would be a disappointment.

The reason CJ Stroud was so amazing last year is because CJ Stroud literally has never happened before. Expecting Williams to duplicate that performance is completely unreasonable.
 
#138      
ChiefGritty
champaignchris said:
The reason CJ Stroud was so amazing last year is because CJ Stroud literally has never happened before. Expecting Williams to duplicate that performance is completely unreasonable.
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Looking at you, Ryan Poles.

The facts we have are compatible both with Williams developing into an elite NFL QB and also picking him over chances at Stroud and Daniels being an epochal franchise-crushing catastrophe we're all telling our grandchildren about.

"Predictions are hard, especially about the future" - Yogi Berra
 
#139      
Orangetool
Its interesting that in all the post game reviews they speak of Kramer the fullback, Mini fridge etc.

No one has mentioned that if needed the guy can step in at center.
 
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mattcoldagelli
Roundball Sage said:
Reports on the web have this gem: “Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Justin Fields prefers his new coaching staff over the Chicago Bears' staff... Fields was asked to choose between the coaches on his current and former team."

"Pittsburgh," Fields said. "It's not close."

Maybe its not so much the Bear's guy behind the center but the guys who are yelling at him from the sidelines. Bears' franchise has been toxic for QBs for a LONG time. And Fields seems to be responding to better coaching these days.
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While I certainly would also prefer to be coached by the Steelers, and not the Bears, and not even at football, just at general life skills.......this strikes me as a very silly and dumb "story". Is Justin Fields going to say "I actually do not prefer the coaches coaching me now, at the team that currently employs me"?
 
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