I don’t think scouts know how to truly evaluate a QB. For most other positions you can look at combine results and have a good chance of being rightI'm no scout, but Luke is a better QB than Drew Allar... I can't be convinced otherwise
I don’t think scouts know how to truly evaluate a QB. For most other positions you can look at combine results and have a good chance of being right
Think of all the draft busts and QBs taken round 6 or 7 that surprise people
For sure.I don’t think scouts know how to truly evaluate a QB. For most other positions you can look at combine results and have a good chance of being right
Think of all the draft busts and QBs taken round 6 or 7 that surprise people
To be fair to the NFL scouting industry, QB scouting has definitely gotten better.Think of all the draft busts and QBs taken round 6 or 7 that surprise people
A lot of it is quality of OL play too.To be fair to the NFL scouting industry, QB scouting has definitely gotten better.
You look at the top ten passers last season, Dak Prescott is the only one who wasn't taken in the top half of the first round and FIVE of them were the #1 overall pick.
"Surprises" these days are guys like Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield and Geno Smith arriving late to the skillset scouts had always identified in them.
I believe Brock Purdy and Shedeur Sanders are the only starters in the league taken outside the first 100 picks?
When Lovie came here we all assumed he would be good at X's and O's and at player development, but weak at recruiting. Turns out he was the worst X's and O's coach we have ever had and was bad at developing players, but had a knack for finding under the radar Floridians.Bert has done an excellent job and deserves his flowers, but that list looks very different if it's by who recruited those players.
Lovie brought a ton of NFL talent into the program and Beckman/Cubit brought next to none. (Among draftees it's only Jihad Ward, Nick Allegretti, Dawuane Smoot, Clayton Fejedelem who was a walk-on and Ke'Shawn Vaughn who we underused and forced out, right?)
We just kinda never had the day-to-day operational best practices of college football operating within the building during Lovie's time, and he had no interest or patience in seeing that happen, he always thought he knew better. So whatever he did well (which were many things at various points) constantly sprung leaks because we weren't just doing the basics right.When Lovie came here we all assumed he would be good at X's and O's and at player development, but weak at recruiting. Turns out he was the worst X's and O's coach we have ever had and was bad at developing players, but had a knack for finding under the radar Floridians.
When Lovie came here we all assumed he would be good at X's and O's and at player development, but weak at recruiting. Turns out he was the worst X's and O's coach we have ever had and was bad at developing players, but had a knack for finding under the radar Floridians.
geezFrom his nfl days he knew the physical traits to look for. He said several under the radar hits but he also had a ton of misses. I mean look at his last oline class
It was the right hire for the right time. He came in on the heels of Beckman's player abuse lawsuits and Cubit's tenure which was always just a bridge to the next guy.geez
I couldn’t wait for Lovie to start coaching for us
and sadly , within 28 months I couldn’t wait for him to leave .
Build him a statue with a plaque that reads "Less embarrassing than his predecessor"It was the right hire for the right time. He came in on the heels of Beckman's player abuse lawsuits and Cubit's tenure which was always just a bridge to the next guy.
Lovie was beloved in Illinois by being the best Bears coach since Ditka. He had immediate name recognition. He was known as a players coach who really loved mentoring and helping his players. It helped immediately bring some level of credibility and excitement back to a dead program.
While he had a great eye for talent, especially in low ranked recruits, he did not like recruiting and put forth no effort to build the pipelines. I'm assuming once you don't have to entertain and talk to 16-18 kids all the time and can just coach in the NFL, it's probably hard to go back to it, especially as an older coach.
Lovie ended up not being successful, but he got us back to a foundation where someone could build off of it.
I know you're having problems processing your big feelings, but who is coming here to clean up after Mike Thomas and Lasagna Man? We're lucky to be where we are now after it was ran into the ground.Build him a statue with a plaque that reads "Less embarrassing than his predecessor"
I processed my feeling about Lovie a long time ago. He sucked and I can't perform the mental gymnastics needed to sing his praises or give him credit for where we are today. Yes I guess someone had to occupy the position between Cubit and Bielema but I don't think Lovie did any anything special.I know you're having problems processing your big feelings, but who is coming here to clean up after Mike Thomas and Lasagna Man? We're lucky to be where we are now after it was ran into the ground.
Within 10 years we went from an absolute dumpster fire to nationally successful in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, and continued success in golf, tennis, gymnastics, and track & field.
Whitman found the piece that led to the next piece. Lovie left a lot of talent for Bret to start with and develop. One doesn't happen without the other.
I’ll acknowledge his recruiting successes, but overall he seemed to me to lack a sense of urgency/purpose/vision and seemed generally disengaged with almost a “What, me worry?” attitude. It felt like he was selling his name when what we needed was someone who knew how to build a college program from rubble. He was completely lost in that respect.I guess I'm just a simpleton who judges coaches based on W-L.