GallopingGhost
- Denver, CO
This may prove to be our hardest week yet. IMO the toughest 3 game stretch in the whole season. Vs Wisc, @Ind, @Purdue. I’d be ok coming out of it 1-3, really really happy 2-1, and if 3-0… then meet me in the top 10.
Coming out of a 3 game stretch 1-3 would be magicalThis may prove to be our hardest week yet. IMO the toughest 3 game stretch in the whole season. Vs Wisc, @Ind, @Purdue. I’d be ok coming out of it 1-3, really really happy 2-1, and if 3-0… then meet me in the top 10.
If we want to a shot at winning the B1G, I think we’ve gotta go 2-1 over the next 3.This may prove to be our hardest week yet. IMO the toughest 3 game stretch in the whole season. Vs Wisc, @Ind, @Purdue. I’d be ok coming out of it 1-3, really really happy 2-1, and if 3-0… then meet me in the top 10.
I agree. We lost the luxury of going 1-2 when we dropped the MD game.If we want to a shot at winning the B1G, I think we’ve gotta go 2-1 over the next 3.
Kevin Warren could make that happen. Let's say we go 1-2 but the win comes on a bad call that favors us. He could award us an extra loss in the standings just on general principles. fairness or something.Coming out of a 3 game stretch 1-3 would be magical
A concept that only exists in theory.Kevin Warren could make that happen. Let's say we go 1-2 but the win comes on a bad call that favors us. He could award us an extra loss in the standings just on general principles. fairness or something.
Also 2nd in the B1G in KemPom, but admittedly by a pretty small margin.Tied for 1st in the BIG, 2nd in the order of the NET rankings of BIG teams, but 5th in the order of AP rankings in regards to BIG teams. Who's right? The stats or the 'journalists'? If we're healthy and ready to go, somebody's numbers are going to change.........
With Kofi out we really haven't been able to match a team that can deploy Emerging Commerce Trends at either the 4 or 5. Am hopeful with him healthy and playing regularly we can jump them in the polls.Well we are keeping pace with Advertisement...
salesforce < kofiforceWith Kofi out we really haven't been able to match a team that can deploy Emerging Commerce Trends at either the 4 or 5. Am hopeful with him healthy and playing regularly we can jump them in the polls.
1 | Gonzaga(16) | 17-2 | 784 | - |
Auburn(16) | 20-1 | 784 | 1 | |
3 | Purdue | 18-3 | 691 | 3 |
4 | UCLA | 16-2 | 647 | 4 |
5 | Arizona | 17-2 | 618 | 2 |
6 | Duke | 17-3 | 604 | 1 |
7 | Kentucky | 17-4 | 595 | 6 |
8 | Baylor | 18-3 | 584 | 4 |
9 | Houston | 18-2 | 567 | - |
10 | Kansas | 17-3 | 511 | 5 |
11 | Wisconsin | 17-3 | 478 | - |
12 | Villanova | 16-5 | 461 | - |
13 | Michigan State | 16-4 | 405 | 3 |
14 | Texas Tech | 16-5 | 386 | - |
15 | Providence | 18-2 | 384 | 2 |
16 | Ohio State | 13-5 | 296 | - |
17 | UConn | 15-4 | 260 | 2 |
18 | Illinois | 15-5 | 256 | 3 |
19 | USC | 18-3 | 199 | 4 |
20 | Tennessee | 14-6 | 147 | - |
21 | Texas | 16-5 | 134 | 4 |
22 | Iowa State | 16-5 | 129 | 2 |
23 | Xavier | 15-5 | 113 | - |
24 | Marquette | 15-7 | 80 | 2 |
25 | LSU | 16-5 | 78 | 7 |
I contend that AP polling has a strong lag effect based on recent performance of a program (over past 5-10 years). Purdue, Wisc, MSU & OSU have all been consistently successful at a Top 20 level for a decade or more (tossing out a couple grim seasons in there that Painter has had.) We haven't.Also 2nd in the B1G in KemPom, but admittedly by a pretty small margin.
The AP culture is blatantly flawed. Win and you stay the same or go up, no matter who it was you beat.
Lose and you go down, no matter who it was you lost to (or where).
Probably but I think we are past that point. We started the season in the top 10 and just pooped the bed. I think now we are just still in a prove it mode since we really only have one big win and several very close losses to top 10 teams.I contend that AP polling has a strong lag effect based on recent performance of a program (over past 5-10 years). Purdue, Wisc, MSU & OSU have all been consistently successful at a Top 20 level for a decade or more (tossing out a couple grim seasons in there that Painter has had.) We haven't.
Sports journalists can only watch so much hoops and they need to submit a ballot weekly.
Agree, and would also point out Kenpom has us at 16 and NET at 15 so traditional polling is not far off from the efficiency based metrics on us at this point. If we win these big games ahead we can shoot up in both types of rankings.Probably but I think we are past that point. We started the season in the top 10 and just pooped the bed. I think now we are just still in a prove it mode since we really only have one big win and several very close losses to top 10 teams.
I never understand this take. Winning the Big Ten is a difficult accomplishment, and also doesn't have the random luck associated with the tournament. Teams get upset in the tourney all the time. At least if you win the conference title, that's a tangible, real accomplishment that one disappointing game in March can't undo. And more to the point, how is a conference title inconsistent with tournament success? Seeding is crucial to tournament success, and winning more games helps you get that.Frankly, winning the big ten is way down on my priority list - getting healthy and everyone back playing together to build momentum for the tournament is the top priority in my mind. As last year showed we can literally finish with the best record in the big ten and not be conference champs.
Making a run in the NCAA tourny is the ultimate goal to keep the momentum as a program, Big Ten titles just don't mean anything anymore
NopeThe real question is did we do enough to jump Advertisement?
I never understand this take. Winning the Big Ten is a difficult accomplishment, and also doesn't have the random luck associated with the tournament. Teams get upset in the tourney all the time. At least if you win the conference title, that's a tangible, real accomplishment that one disappointing game in March can't undo. And more to the point, how is a conference title inconsistent with tournament success? Seeding is crucial to tournament success, and winning more games helps you get that.
What games are these coaches watching? Advertisement is not even ranked??Illinois also #18 in Coaches Poll
1 Gonzaga(16) 17-2 784 - Auburn(16) 20-1 784 1 3 Purdue 18-3 691 3 4 UCLA 16-2 647 4 5 Arizona 17-2 618 2 6 Duke 17-3 604 1 7 Kentucky 17-4 595 6 8 Baylor 18-3 584 4 9 Houston 18-2 567 - 10 Kansas 17-3 511 5 11 Wisconsin 17-3 478 - 12 Villanova 16-5 461 - 13 Michigan State 16-4 405 3 14 Texas Tech 16-5 386 - 15 Providence 18-2 384 2 16 Ohio State 13-5 296 - 17 UConn 15-4 260 2 18 Illinois 15-5 256 3 19 USC 18-3 199 4 20 Tennessee 14-6 147 - 21 Texas 16-5 134 4 22 Iowa State 16-5 129 2 23 Xavier 15-5 113 - 24 Marquette 15-7 80 2 25 LSU 16-5 78 7
I consider myself an actual basketball fan and I'm taking a Final Four over a conference championship every time. It's really not close for me.March Madness has more appeal to the casual fan. The dance gets national attention as brackets come out and everyone has a chance for a brief few days. Like it or not, it's the biggest stage.
That said, winning the conference means more for actual basketball fans.
Coming out of a 3 game stretch 1-3 would be magical
I contend that AP polling has a strong lag effect based on recent performance of a program (over past 5-10 years). Purdue, Wisc, MSU & OSU have all been consistently successful at a Top 20 level for a decade or more (tossing out a couple grim seasons in there that Painter has had.) We haven't.
Sports journalists can only watch so much hoops and they need to submit a ballot weekly.