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Illinilosch
Emerson Bigguns said:
A good one? I'm not sure that exists... I'm sure a lot of sites will be updating over the next few days. The deadline to withdraw from the draft was yesterday.
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Very true. Pretty much explains why they all seem like they're written up by lazy journalists. Or it could also be that this year's draft is so bad that no one has a clue what will happen on Draft day next week.

Perhaps I'm just being a little biased and am hoping to stumble across a mock draft that has TSJ showing picked in the 1st round!
 
#53      
Fr8trn16
Go Bulls! We need contributors right now! So and TSJ would be appreciated great front court for the Bulls future! They will run teams out the gym! The Bulls play better when they play fast! Get out and run! I hate the ball stopping! The run they made this year during their win streak was because they were running! Let them young horses run Billy!
 
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ChiIllini75
Illinilosch said:
Very true. Pretty much explains why they all seem like they're written up by lazy journalists. Or it could also be that this year's draft is so bad that no one has a clue what will happen on Draft day next week.

Perhaps I'm just being a little biased and am hoping to stumble across a mock draft that has TSJ showing picked in the 1st round!
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The Ringer and Yahoo both have him in the late first round today.
 
#57      
rtbritt
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
They do have key roles but Coby is a bonafide starter at this point. Ayo is likely a bench guy on the Bulls roster who may start in spots if one of the other guards is injured or otherwise unavailable. I'm not sure where you're getting Ayo stealing votes for MIP. He didn't even get any votes period for that award this year.
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I mean, it wasn’t me saying it. It was an article I saw probably in the last month or two of the season.

I guess maybe I’m interpreting your original comment the wrong way. I do think Coby has proven himself as a starter and Ayo has proven himself as a solid role player and spot starter.
 
#60      
Peteronthespot
TSJ has to be a lottery pick. i can’t think of 10 ncaa players in the draft who played better than him this season especially from Feb through the tourney. But the bulls at 11 may feel like they must take someone that is ”ranked” higher by “experts.” Doesn’t he have Lebrons same agency? Maybe the lakers will take tsj.
 
#61      
Illinilosch
Peteronthespot said:
TSJ has to be a lottery pick. i can’t think of 10 ncaa players in the draft who played better than him this season especially from Feb through the tourney. But the bulls at 11 may feel like they must take someone that is ”ranked” higher by “experts.” Doesn’t he have Lebrons same agency? Maybe the lakers will take tsj.
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The Bulls need immediate help, badly, like.......NOW!!!

They likely won't get jack squat via trade because for some reason that's how their GM operates every year. They need help right away, from a player who can perform and give some valuable assistance right away. They cannot afford to roll the dice, take a gamble on a player with supposed "upside and potential" and hope and pray that it all works out. This is not the draft to do that IMO.

However, they would know EXACTLY what TSJ would give to this team: world class athleticism, size, ballhandling, good shooting, defense, incredible downhill offense in the open court, ability to take physical contact. But most importantly, TSJ would provide much maturity after dealing with that SHAM of a criminal trial last week. I would have to think this will bode well for him, and help go a long ways in the eyes of a GM.

I think many view it to be a bit of a long shot for CHI to draft him at 11. But honestly, because this draft is just awful I don't think this is that much of a long shot at all.

I think it's a sure bet, for CHI to take TSJ. We shall see....
 
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Emerson Bigguns
If Dalton Knecht is a lottery wing, so is TJ. Knecht is a fine player, but does anyone think he has a better chance of making an all-star team than TJ? My eyes don't see it, and the stats back it up.

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ChiefGritty
Peteronthespot said:
TSJ has to be a lottery pick. i can’t think of 10 ncaa players in the draft who played better than him this season especially from Feb through the tourney.
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I can't either but in the latest mock draft I've seen, only 4 of the top 10 played in the NCAA last year. 4 foreign players and 2 from G League Ignite.

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Anyone who takes Knecht or Edey over TSJ is an idiot, I will say that much.
 
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Emerson Bigguns
ChiefGritty said:
I can't either but in the latest mock draft I've seen, only 4 of the top 10 played in the NCAA last year. 4 foreign players and 2 from G League Ignite.

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Anyone who takes Knecht or Edey over TSJ is an idiot, I will say that much.
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I can see bad teams gambling on foreign and G-League talents, hoping to hit on some upside. A team like OKC, at the end of the lottery, should be looking for immediate impact (He is right around the same age as the rest of their core), as should other playoff caliber teams later in the 1st round. TJ is going to be ready to contribute on day one.
 
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ChiefGritty
Emerson Bigguns said:
I can see bad teams gambling on foreign and G-League talents, hoping to hit on some upside. A team like OKC, at the end of the lottery, should be looking for immediate impact (He is right around the same age as the rest of their core), as should other playoff caliber teams later in the 1st round. TJ is going to be ready to contribute on day one.
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There will be some comparisons with Jaime Jaquez from a position, size and age standpoint, who was an instant impact player in Miami.

It's good to draw comparisons to the guy everyone wished they drafted last year, see Sauce Gardner and Devon Witherspoon.

Even if I didn't totally agree, the NBA scouts case against Ayo Dosumnu made sense to me and I thought the skepticism was always very clear and I wasn't surprised at all that he fell out of the first round, counter to some of the expectations around here.

I truly will not understand if TSJ isn't a first rounder with the way he fits NBA basketball and progressed in some of his areas of weakness as a 5th year senior. Especially in this crappy draft.
 
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Boskydell
ChiefGritty said:
There will be some comparisons with Jaime Jaquez from a position, size and age standpoint, who was an instant impact player in Miami.

It's good to draw comparisons to the guy everyone wished they drafted last year, see Sauce Gardner and Devon Witherspoon.

Even if I didn't totally agree, the NBA scouts case against Ayo Dosumnu made sense to me and I thought the skepticism was always very clear and I wasn't surprised at all that he fell out of the first round, counter to some of the expectations around here.

I truly will not understand if TSJ isn't a first rounder with the way he fits NBA basketball and progressed in some of his areas of weakness as a 5th year senior. Especially in this crappy draft.
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Would love to see the Bulls draft TJ in round 1; will have to let the next week play out. Might need to use the 11th pick for him, but right now, looks like they could trade down a few spots and maybe pick up a 2nd rounder.
 
#67      
IlliniShelt
I don't proclaim to have digested every bit of draft coverage but the only people I see that have TSJ in the lottery are the people on this board. Yes the bulls worked him out and yes they have the 11th pick but I'd be shocked (and extatic) if they pick him. I'd love for him to be a lotto pick but I don't see it. I hope I'm wrong.
 
#68      
tts22
I'm a big fan of TSJ and hope he does well.....for sure! But, some of you need to take off your orange and blue sunglasses regarding TSJ being a lottery pick.
 
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Emerson Bigguns
IlliniShelt said:
I don't proclaim to have digested every bit of draft coverage but the only people I see that have TSJ in the lottery are the people on this board. Yes the bulls worked him out and yes they have the 11th pick but I'd be shocked (and extatic) if they pick him. I'd love for him to be a lotto pick but I don't see it. I hope I'm wrong.
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Most of the round two projections were prior to the outcome of his case. I think the facts of the case are such that teams could/should disregard any character concerns they had prior to the facts of the case coming to light.
If you don't think TJ was one of the best players in the country last year, I don't know what you were watching.

If I were a GM who has been thinking about taking Dalton Knecht, I'd be re-thinking why I wouldn't take a guy who was faster, stronger, and more efficient last season at the same position.

The NBA draft is full of secrecy and subterfuge. There are always surprises. I think TJ is going to be one of them. All it takes is one GM to watch the tape and agree with me.
 
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ChiefGritty
Emerson Bigguns said:
If I were a GM who has been thinking about taking Dalton Knecht, I'd be re-thinking why I wouldn't take a guy who was faster, stronger, and more efficient last season at the same position.
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Put an even finer point on it. Why are you drafting a guy who can't guard over one that can?

Knecht is a one-tool player with no upside, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see him in the lottery.
 
#73      
AirNeazy
Edey shouldn't even be drafted, he has absolutely no place in the modern NBA.

If Garza who IMO was a better player than Edey and at least could shoot, is a bit G-League player then Edey will be selling insurance in a couple years is my bet.
 
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ChiIllini75
Emerson Bigguns said:
Most of the round two projections were prior to the outcome of his case. I think the facts of the case are such that teams could/should disregard any character concerns they had prior to the facts of the case coming to light.
If you don't think TJ was one of the best players in the country last year, I don't know what you were watching.

If I were a GM who has been thinking about taking Dalton Knecht, I'd be re-thinking why I wouldn't take a guy who was faster, stronger, and more efficient last season at the same position.

The NBA draft is full of secrecy and subterfuge. There are always surprises. I think TJ is going to be one of them. All it takes is one GM to watch the tape and agree with me.
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The issue is international players pushing him back (even after his case) and serious concern on his shot holding up. Comparing him to a guy like Knecht who had to take much tougher shots and had reliable range is challenging. Knecht tested surprisingly (to me) well in the athletic drills at the combine too.

I think NBA team fit is going to tell us lot more about eventual outcomes for TSJ, Knecht and other similar folks than simply who was/is a better collegiate scorer.
 
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